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Post by uisashi on Apr 24, 2023 3:37:30 GMT
Some recent observations I have;
1. Fujianese, Cantonese and bulk Vietnamese do not look alike. Many Viets look very western shifted while some amount of Cantonese people look "eastern"? Donnie Yen for example tbh doesn't pass as Vietnamese? He's just too distinctively Canto. Interestingly, some Viets and some Xi'an people converge at times.
2. Chinese Thais in Thailand may pass worse than native Thais in Gansu. Chinese Thais are mostly Teochew who are too eastern shifted to pass. Native Thais are sometimes this Tibetoburman pheno, which actually somewhat passes in Northwest China?
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 24, 2023 18:04:53 GMT
Some recent observations I have; 1. Fujianese, Cantonese and bulk Vietnamese do not look alike. Many Viets look very western shifted while some amount of Cantonese people look "eastern"? Donnie Yen for example tbh doesn't pass as Vietnamese? He's just too distinctively Canto. Interestingly, some Viets and some Xi'an people converge at times. 2. Chinese Thais in Thailand may pass worse than native Thais in Gansu. Chinese Thais are mostly Teochew who are too eastern shifted to pass. Native Thais are sometimes this Tibetoburman pheno, which actually somewhat passes in Northwest China? 1. Fujianese look very eastern that I largely agree. With Cantonese it depends on the region, but overall I think they're more western-shifted than eastern. I think Donnie Yen looks somewhat similar to the former Cantonese soccer player Feng Junyan and both can pass as native Thai. As for Viets and Xi'an people's convergence I haven't really noticed that. Most Shaanxi people still look quite Northern Chinese to me. 2. I don't think native Thais look Gansu at all, typical native Thais such as the world-renowned Muay Thai kickboxer Buakaw Banchamek doesn't look Northwest Chinese at the slightest. Tibeto-Burman pheno isn't that common among native Thais except maybe in the northwest corner of the country bordering Myanmar. |
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Post by throway2 on Apr 25, 2023 1:35:28 GMT
1. Fujianese look very eastern that I largely agree. With Cantonese it depends on the region, but overall I think they're more western-shifted than eastern. I think Donnie Yen looks somewhat similar to the former Cantonese soccer player Feng Junyan and both can pass as native Thai. As for Viets and Xi'an people's convergence I haven't really noticed that. Most Shaanxi people still look quite Northern Chinese to me. 2. I don't think native Thais look Gansu at all, typical native Thais such as the world-renowned Muay Thai kickboxer Buakaw Banchamek doesn't look Northwest Chinese at the slightest. Tibeto-Burman pheno isn't that common among native Thais except maybe in the northwest corner of the country bordering Myanmar. Do most Thais even look like Buakaw?  In this group of Thai students only one is significantly AASI/Onge-shifted, and not to the extent of Buakaw? The other two honestly can pass in Gansu? A lot of Thais also seem to look like Rodtang Jitmuangnon, who looks like some dark Tibetan? And he is from southern Thailand to boot   |
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Post by throway2 on Apr 25, 2023 1:51:20 GMT
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 25, 2023 2:14:19 GMT
1. Fujianese look very eastern that I largely agree. With Cantonese it depends on the region, but overall I think they're more western-shifted than eastern. I think Donnie Yen looks somewhat similar to the former Cantonese soccer player Feng Junyan and both can pass as native Thai. As for Viets and Xi'an people's convergence I haven't really noticed that. Most Shaanxi people still look quite Northern Chinese to me. 2. I don't think native Thais look Gansu at all, typical native Thais such as the world-renowned Muay Thai kickboxer Buakaw Banchamek doesn't look Northwest Chinese at the slightest. Tibeto-Burman pheno isn't that common among native Thais except maybe in the northwest corner of the country bordering Myanmar. Do most Thais even look like Buakaw? In this group of Thai students only one is significantly AASI/Onge-shifted, and not to the extent of Buakaw? The other two honestly can pass in Gansu? A lot of Thais also seem to look like Rodtang Jitmuangnon, who looks like some dark Tibetan? And he is from southern Thailand to boot I dunno I'm not that experienced with Thai phenotypes, but Buakaw looks very typical for native Thais and cannot pass anywhere else except maybe Cambodia. And he isn't even from southern Thailand but from eastern Thailand more specifically the province of Surin, which is a province that borders Cambodia and is not that far away from southern Laos as well. Rodtang does not look like Tibetan or Northwest Chinese. His eyebrows are set very close to his eyes and his face is rather compact, which are typical SE Asian features. Some Northern-looking Thais like the student on the right side of the picture may have some Chinese ancestry from Fujian or Teochew. Only him may have a chance passing in more northern areas of China, whereas the left one and the middle one look too SE Asian to pass. |
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 25, 2023 2:22:18 GMT
I searched a bit and found that Buakaw is of Kuy descent, and the Kuy are the native Austroasiatic speakers of eastern Thailand, belonging to the Katuic branch of the Austroasiatic family. So throway2 suggesting that Austroasiatic people looking like Tibeto-Burmans and Northwest Chinese seems to have hit a hard rock here  |
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Post by uisashi on Apr 25, 2023 3:04:05 GMT
Some kids from Shaanxi Weinan. Do some of these look Austroasiatic leaning.  |
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Post by throway2 on Apr 25, 2023 3:10:05 GMT
Ok an addendum now- looking through images of chiang mai thais, they dont seem to pass well as northwest Han.
Laotians and southern Viets seem to pass better (?)
I will have to look at southern Thais now
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 25, 2023 3:19:01 GMT
Some kids from Shaanxi Weinan. Do some of these look Austroasiatic leaning. View AttachmentLOL none of them look even remotely Austroasiatic but many of them can pass in Korea imo. You Northern Chinese need to stop trying to associate yourselves with Austronesian and Austroasiatic, instead you guys should relate yourselves to the Manchus and the Koreans, who are your closest genetic relatives. |
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 25, 2023 3:21:56 GMT
Ok an addendum now- looking through images of chiang mai thais, they dont seem to pass well as northwest Han. Laotians and southern Viets seem to pass better (?) I will have to look at southern Thais now Neither Thais nor Laotians nor Southern Vietnam natives (Chams, Jarai, Ede, etc.) nor the Austroasiatic peoples of SE Asia (Katuic, Bahnar, Mon-Khmer, etc.) look like Northwest Han. Really you guys need to stop making these far-fetched claims. You Northern Chinese are most closely related to Manchus and Koreans. The ancient Sinitic people themselves were a northern people as well. |
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Post by throway2 on Apr 25, 2023 4:11:22 GMT
imgur.com/a/w89SIxumnopsc1bshirvanshahHere is a compilation of selected kids from Taiyuan, Shanxi. I believe they fit a specific type found in Shanxi that IMO aligns with certain Cantos and some SEAs (eg. northern Thais?), but also does not look "Austroasiatic" or "Austronesian". A lot of Shanxi people (especially more north or west of them) look more Tibetoburman and distinct, but this type actually quite commonly shows up. How do you perceive them? shirvanshah Can they pass in Thailand at all? Including Chinese-admixed Thais (I perceive some of these types as potentially overlapping with Cantonese/Fujianese)
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 25, 2023 4:23:39 GMT
imgur.com/a/w89SIxumnopsc1b shirvanshah Here is a compilation of selected kids from Taiyuan, Shanxi. I believe they fit a specific type found in Shanxi that IMO aligns with certain Cantos and some SEAs (eg. northern Thais?), but also does not look "Austroasiatic" or "Austronesian". A lot of Shanxi people (especially more north or west of them) look more Tibetoburman and distinct, but this type actually quite commonly shows up. How do you perceive them? shirvanshah Can they pass in Thailand at all? Including Chinese-admixed Thais (I perceive some of these types as potentially overlapping with Cantonese/Fujianese) None of them look Canto or Thai imo but some of them may pass in places like Henan, Hubei, or Sichuan. Typical Canto types are exemplified by sportsmen like Feng Junyan and Peng Weiguo and celebrities like Donnie Yen, William Chan, Louis Koo, Derek Kok, Aaron Kwok, and Dennis To. Stop making these far-fetched claims, Manchus and Koreans are the closest relatives of Northern Chinese. |
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 25, 2023 4:30:53 GMT
Feng Junyan  Peng Weiguo  Donnie Yen  William Chan  Louis Koo  Derek Kok  Aaron Kwok  Dennis To  |
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Post by uisashi on Apr 25, 2023 4:33:57 GMT
Peng Weiguo passes in North China...? Why would he be off in e.g Shaanxi?
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Post by throway2 on Apr 25, 2023 4:38:20 GMT
imgur.com/a/PtSEOCLmnopsc1bPlease see my comparisons here. Shanxi and Oroqen people dont have direct austronesian admix, so these aren't identical. But if you look closely, Feng Junyan basically looks like that Shanxi kid to his left but with additional austronesian. Donnie Yen looks like a variant of the Oroqen guy but with additional austronesian. Most of their facial structures align quite well.
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