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Post by throway2 on Apr 14, 2023 5:28:58 GMT
Here is Chao Ngi Lai, the founder of the United Wa State Army AKA he's way more southern than the average Cantonese, Zhuang, whatnot could ever dream of being And he also passes easily in Tibet and Gansu
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Post by throway2 on Apr 14, 2023 5:35:52 GMT
The Wa language, similar to Hmong-Mien languages, has a familiar phonology to Sinitic and Sino-Tibetan languages and could probably be pronounced easily by most Chinese speakers
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Post by throway2 on Apr 14, 2023 5:40:48 GMT
Most of the children in this video from northwestern Hunan (bordering Hubei) can easily pass as Wa, Mlabri, etc.
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Post by throway2 on Apr 14, 2023 5:55:45 GMT
Although I am mixed with Austronesian, I am mostly western EA with significant ancestry from both southwestern China and Henan.
This is probably why I can't help but feel a strong sense of belonging when I look at images of Wa/Mlabri people, listen to the Wa language, etc.
Even the landscape of northern Myanmar and Yunnan feels familiar to me
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Post by throway2 on Apr 14, 2023 6:18:45 GMT
Hill landscape in Myanmar Hill landscape in Sichuan Hill landscape in Shanxi These hills, barring some differences in foliage, look mostly similar
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 14, 2023 12:22:10 GMT
Tbh people in Henan and especially Xi'an sometimes do look Austroasiatic; they oftentimes have deep set eyes, cheekbone protrusion and face can be short and wide. Nope people in Henan, Shaanxi, and Northern China in general don't have deep-set eyes, stop lying. Cheekbone protrusion and wide face aren't the particular traits of Austroasiatic people either, these are probably more common in the northern parts of East Asia. I don't deny that if you cherry-pick hard enough you can maybe find a few people from Henan or Shaanxi that would be able to pass as Austroasiatic, but the percentage is just too low. The majority of people in those regions don't look Austroasiatic at all. I actually think that people from Western Henan and Shaanxi have the most distinctive Sinitic look in all of China.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 14, 2023 12:28:32 GMT
Nope they don't, stop trolling. Data from Wegene have already shown that Canto speakers from Western GD and GX score less than 10% Northern Han (with the Northern Han ref pop being drawn from Henan). Put them in this crowd (people from Pingdingshan Henan) and most won't stick out These people look obviously more northern than people from Western GD and GX and they would stick out if you put them in this crowd. This thread has been well trolled by you.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 14, 2023 12:34:31 GMT
Here is Chao Ngi Lai, the founder of the United Wa State Army AKA he's way more southern than the average Cantonese, Zhuang, whatnot could ever dream of being And he also passes easily in Tibet and Gansu Nope he doesn't look that southern, there're some Cantonese and Zhuang guys that can out-southern him. Like this Zhuang guy from Bilibili probably looks equally southern as him, if not more southern. I feel that it's harder for this Zhuang guy to pass in Northern China than the Wa leader you posted. The Wa leader can probably pass in Tibet, although I'm not so certain if he could readily pass in Gansu. www.bilibili.com/video/BV11z411i72H/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.-1www.bilibili.com/video/BV1GV411z7Rs/
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 14, 2023 12:45:28 GMT
Most of the children in this video from northwestern Hunan (bordering Hubei) can easily pass as Wa, Mlabri, etc. LOL you gotta be kidding, the girl in the thumbnail looks very northern and certainly cannot pass as Austroasiatic.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 14, 2023 12:55:04 GMT
Although I am mixed with Austronesian, I am mostly western EA with significant ancestry from both southwestern China and Henan. This is probably why I can't help but feel a strong sense of belonging when I look at images of Wa/Mlabri people, listen to the Wa language, etc. Even the landscape of northern Myanmar and Yunnan feels familiar to me You're nothing but a troll. You said that you're Chinese American, yet the time you posted these pictures is like after midnight in America, which makes your claim dubious. And you said that you never surfed on Chinese forums, yet the claims you made here seem very familiar to me and look like certain claims made by some Sinocentrists that I've seen on Zhihu and Tieba before.
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Post by uisashi on Apr 14, 2023 13:01:03 GMT
imgur.com/a/jTwwxo2I was watching some Xi'an street interviews and it seems common to find these types? Imo these types are quite non east northern China passing and structurally look similar to some Viets. Ofc not all look like this, but a decent portion of street Xi'an people have this specific close eyebrow distance cheekbones protrude pseudo Khmer type, moreso than say Jiangnan imo. I would not be surprised if Xi'an has closer eyebrow to eye distance than most of south China barring Guangdong/Guangxi.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 14, 2023 13:05:20 GMT
Soccer player from Pingdingshan Henan Soccer player from Vietnam What's the difference? Of course if you cherry-pick hard enough you can find a few similar-looking individuals, after all Northern Vietnam had been dominated by the Sinitic people for more than 1,000 years. However the majority of Vietnamese don't look like this. A quick search of Vietnamese appearance on Google gives me the following images.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 14, 2023 13:08:40 GMT
imgur.com/a/jTwwxo2I was watching some Xi'an street interviews and it seems common to find these types? Imo these types are quite non east northern China passing and structurally look similar to some Viets. Ofc not all look like this, but a decent portion of street Xi'an people have this specific close eyebrow distance cheekbones protrude pseudo Khmer type, moreso than say Jiangnan imo. I would not be surprised if Xi'an has closer eyebrow to eye distance than most of south China barring Guangdong/Guangxi. Most of them look noticeably northern, only one of them (the individual in the second picture) reminds me somewhat of Far South Chinese.
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Post by throway2 on Apr 14, 2023 18:13:34 GMT
Although I am mixed with Austronesian, I am mostly western EA with significant ancestry from both southwestern China and Henan. This is probably why I can't help but feel a strong sense of belonging when I look at images of Wa/Mlabri people, listen to the Wa language, etc. Even the landscape of northern Myanmar and Yunnan feels familiar to me You're nothing but a troll. You said that you're Chinese American, yet the time you posted these pictures is like after midnight in America, which makes your claim dubious. And you said that you never surfed on Chinese forums, yet the claims you made here seem very familiar to me and look like certain claims made by some Sinocentrists that I've seen on Zhihu and Tieba before. How the hell would I be a "Sinocentrist" "Han Chauvinist" etc. if most of my claims revolve around the idea that a lot of these phenotypes are literally just shared between Han and non-Han peoples?
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Post by throway2 on Apr 14, 2023 18:16:17 GMT
This guy isn't necessarily more "southern" than him... he just has a phenotype mixture that's more common in southern China. He also does not even pass as Wa. He looks like some type of mixture of the Negidal/Ulchi-Fujian-Japanese shared eastern hunter-gatherer type + Austronesian + maybe a hint of Austroasiatic. The guy I posted is much purer Austroasiatic If I mixed a common Japanese phenotype with a common Shaanxi phenotype I could easily achieve your guy.
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