throway2
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Post by throway2 on Feb 21, 2023 23:44:50 GMT
Japanese man visits an Atayal village and interacts with a local boomer. Can they pass for the same ethnicity?
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mnopsc1b
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Post by mnopsc1b on Feb 22, 2023 14:20:01 GMT
Japanese man visits an Atayal village and interacts with a local boomer. Can they pass for the same ethnicity? The Japanese guy doesn't give me TW aborigines vibes but rather Yayoi mixed with Jomon. The TW aborigine man looks rather northern for his latitude, and may pass as an atypical Northern Chinese or Japanese or maybe even Native South American (he reminds me a bit of Quechua people from certain angles) I feel that TW aborigines could at times have some "northern" looks, which make them somewhat different from the Austronesian peoples in SE Asia as well as the Tai-Kradai peoples on the South China mainland, who almost never have such looks.
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throway2
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Post by throway2 on Feb 22, 2023 19:20:33 GMT
Japanese man visits an Atayal village and interacts with a local boomer. Can they pass for the same ethnicity? The Japanese guy doesn't give me TW aborigines vibes but rather Yayoi mixed with Jomon. The TW aborigine man looks rather northern for his latitude, and may pass as an atypical Northern Chinese or Japanese or maybe even Native South American (he reminds me a bit of Quechua people from certain angles) I feel that TW aborigines could at times have some "northern" looks, which make them somewhat different from the Austronesian peoples in SE Asia as well as the Tai-Kradai peoples on the South China mainland, who almost never have such looks. Isn’t his face rather common in Igorots/north Luzon Filipinos? ie. is this Igorot guy a younger variant of his pheno
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Post by mnopsc1b on Feb 23, 2023 2:13:13 GMT
The Japanese guy doesn't give me TW aborigines vibes but rather Yayoi mixed with Jomon. The TW aborigine man looks rather northern for his latitude, and may pass as an atypical Northern Chinese or Japanese or maybe even Native South American (he reminds me a bit of Quechua people from certain angles) I feel that TW aborigines could at times have some "northern" looks, which make them somewhat different from the Austronesian peoples in SE Asia as well as the Tai-Kradai peoples on the South China mainland, who almost never have such looks. Isn’t his face rather common in Igorots/north Luzon Filipinos? ie. is this Igorot guy a younger variant of his pheno I'm not that familiar with northern Luzon Igorots/Ifugaos, but from the Filipino immigrants I've seen in Canada (there're many) most of them look more southern or more stereotypically SE Asian than the Atayal aborigine man in the other video and this flute guy. This guy looks a bit like Native American, if you said he's native Peruvian I would believe it. And if I'm not mistaken the natives in Peru also have this type of flute. I've heard that during the colonial period the Spanish had brought some Aztecs and Incas to the Philippines, so it's possible that some Filipinos may indeed have Native American ancestry. Could it be due to the fact that the Taiwanese aborigines and northern Luzon people have some Ancestral Coastal Ghost or Jomon-like components that are not shared by the Tai-Kradai and other Austronesians located further south and further to the west? Tai-Kradai people on the South China mainland, despite speaking an Austro-Tai language and being genetically rather similar to Austronesians (albeit a bit further western-shifted), don't give me any Native American or Jomon impressions, but look straightly SE Asian, like the ethnic Zhuang woman in this video: Jarai people, Austronesian speakers living in Southern Vietnam and parts of Eastern Cambodia, thought to be the direct descendants of the ancient Chams, also don't give me any northern impressions The Rhade or Ede people, another Chamic-speaking group living in the same area as the Jarai The Dusun, an Austronesian people residing in northern Borneo, they and the Murut people share the rare C1b-F725 lineage with South Chinese Tai-Kradai groups Murut people Minangkabau people, their women's horn-shaped headdress is rather similar to Zhuang I feel that Tai-Kradai groups of Far South China have more in common with these Western Austronesian groups than with the ones in Taiwan and Luzon.
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Feb 23, 2023 9:29:11 GMT
The Japanese guy doesn't give me TW aborigines vibes but rather Yayoi mixed with Jomon. The TW aborigine man looks rather northern for his latitude, and may pass as an atypical Northern Chinese or Japanese or maybe even Native South American (he reminds me a bit of Quechua people from certain angles) I feel that TW aborigines could at times have some "northern" looks, which make them somewhat different from the Austronesian peoples in SE Asia as well as the Tai-Kradai peoples on the South China mainland, who almost never have such looks. Isn’t his face rather common in Igorots/north Luzon Filipinos? ie. is this Igorot guy a younger variant of his pheno Neither the Atayal man nor the Igorot Filipino tourist strike me as particularly “northern” looking. They both look recognizably Austronesian/Island SEA to me. I wonder if the Igorot man’s “sharper” features could be from Atayals living in the highlands… Re: MNOPS posting about Daic peoples and Western Malayo-Polynesian speaking groups- what are your thoughts on Thai actress Chicha Amatayakul? I don’t think she can pass in Confucianist Asia- but throway2 and I think she’d pass fairly well in Indonesia due to similarities between the Daic and Austronesian ancestry of both, while also being mixed with local Austroasiatic substrate groups and South Asian ancestry.
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Feb 28, 2023 2:02:22 GMT
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mnopsc1b
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Post by mnopsc1b on Feb 28, 2023 3:28:34 GMT
What does this video have to do with the topic that we're discussing? I don't see any relevance or reason for posting it here. I personally have nothing against neither Chinese Americans nor Chinese from other parts of the world, unless the person specifically embraces Han nationalism, which IMO is equivalent to fascism. Granted I've never met such Chinese Americans in real life, but there does seem to be some rare examples of this kind online, and you know who I'm talking about And by the way Lucy Liu isn't even of Far South Chinese origin, her parents came from Beijing and Shanghai, fled to Taiwan after 1949, and then immigrated to America.
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Mar 1, 2023 3:17:19 GMT
What does this video have to do with the topic that we're discussing? I don't see any relevance or reason for posting it here. I personally have nothing against neither Chinese Americans nor Chinese from other parts of the world, unless the person specifically embraces Han nationalism, which IMO is equivalent to fascism. Granted I've never met such Chinese Americans in real life, but there does seem to be some rare examples of this kind online, and you know who I'm talking about And by the way Lucy Liu isn't even of Far South Chinese origin, her parents came from Beijing and Shanghai, fled to Taiwan after 1949, and then immigrated to America. The speaker looks clearly "Sudsinid" even if he isn't specifically from Lingnan... I thought that was fairly obvious. In the video, he clearly references the Guangdong and Fujian diasporas in the Chinatowns of the US. He also includes examples of Overseas Chinese YouTubers he's watched to gain insights on the overseas-raised ethnic Chinese diaspora, like Fung Bros (both 1/2 Guangdong 1/2 Shandong ancestry), and CantoMando (2/3 members are recognizably Lingnan-looking heritage Cantonese speakers),
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Post by mnopsc1b on Mar 1, 2023 14:45:08 GMT
What does this video have to do with the topic that we're discussing? I don't see any relevance or reason for posting it here. I personally have nothing against neither Chinese Americans nor Chinese from other parts of the world, unless the person specifically embraces Han nationalism, which IMO is equivalent to fascism. Granted I've never met such Chinese Americans in real life, but there does seem to be some rare examples of this kind online, and you know who I'm talking about And by the way Lucy Liu isn't even of Far South Chinese origin, her parents came from Beijing and Shanghai, fled to Taiwan after 1949, and then immigrated to America. The speaker looks clearly "Sudsinid" even if he isn't specifically from Lingnan... I thought that was fairly obvious. The speaker does not look Sudsinid at all neither in terms of appearance nor in terms of accent. His look is fairly common in Beijing, Tianjin, Hebei, Shandong, Jiangsu, and Shanghai. If I were to classify him I would classify him as some sort of Middle Sinid or Pan Eastern Chinese.
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Post by uisashi on Mar 2, 2023 1:53:05 GMT
Hey MNOPs, wanna join a discord server that I made? It's about Asian anthro and it would be nice to have your perspective on there. Nara et al are on there already.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Mar 2, 2023 2:04:49 GMT
Hey MNOPs, wanna join a discord server that I made? It's about Asian anthro and it would be nice to have your perspective on there. Nara et al are on there already. Thank you for the invitation but I don't have much time for online discussions right now I'm quite busy.
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Post by throway2 on Mar 2, 2023 9:37:51 GMT
mnopsc1bthoughts on the taiwanese aborigines in this video? do any of them look FSC/Tai-kradai passing
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Post by mnopsc1b on Mar 2, 2023 14:41:48 GMT
mnopsc1b thoughts on the taiwanese aborigines in this video? do any of them look FSC/Tai-kradai passing I think none of them gives me strong FSC or TK vibes, since they lack that obvious SE Asian influence commonly found on FSC and TK peoples. They look fully East Asian and look like a southern continuation of the Northern/Eastern Chinese speaker's type in the video that okarina posted. Some of them could probably pass in Northern China better than in FSC. I still think in terms of looks FSC and TK peoples have more in common with the Western Austronesian groups that I listed above (they likely have equal or even higher amounts of Austroasiatic/Hoabinhian/SE Asian admixtures) rather than with the ones in Taiwan and Northern Luzon.
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Post by shirvanshah on Mar 6, 2023 17:10:32 GMT
okarinaofsteiner throway2 mnopsc1b uisashiWhat's the difference between Eastern Chinese and Northern Chinese in terms of phenotypes? I heard ppl from Eastern China e.g. Jiangsu, Anhui, Shanghai, Zhejiang can overlap a lot with Northern Han and even Koreans and are predominantly descendants of historical Northern Chinese migrants?
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Post by mnopsc1b on Mar 6, 2023 20:14:29 GMT
Analyze and guess the origin of 3 individuals from Zhihu (this is from a guessing origin thread on the Chinese forum Zhihu and 90% of the comments got them wrong) Please try to guess the province of these 3 individuals (they each come from a different province), I'll reveal the answers later uisashi throway2 okarinaofsteiner shirvanshah Individual 1 Individual 2 Individual 3
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