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Post by uisashi on Jan 28, 2023 23:55:23 GMT
Sugarland might be more southern than say Maryland or New Jersey in Chinese regional ancestry it seems
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jan 29, 2023 2:22:28 GMT
Sugarland might be more southern than say Maryland or New Jersey in Chinese regional ancestry it seems Sugar Land and Pearland are both south side suburbs (in the non-Aussie sense) of Houston. I think these videos have too small of a sample size to be useful for evaluating regional ancestry For this Pearland video the guy at 3:10 looks vaguely Fujian-ish. Both the woman and the man at the beginning sound very Beijing I've only been to the Houston area once to visit a family friend (not in either of those suburban cities), and once while passing through. Would like to visit Houston again as an adult for a food tour in Houston proper + Kevjumba/Keshi pilgrimage to Sugar Land (Keshi also grew up in Sugar Land and studied nursing at UT Austin)
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Post by uisashi on Jan 29, 2023 2:36:14 GMT
Sugarland might be more southern than say Maryland or New Jersey in Chinese regional ancestry it seems Sugar Land and Pearland are both south side suburbs (in the non-Aussie sense) of Houston. I think these videos have too small of a sample size to be useful for evaluating regional ancestry For this Pearland video the guy at 3:10 looks vaguely Fujian-ish. Both the woman and the man at the beginning sound very Beijing I've only been to the Houston area once to visit a family friend (not in either of those suburban cities), and once while passing through. Would like to visit Houston again as an adult for a food tour in Houston proper + Kevjumba/Keshi pilgrimage to Sugar Land (Keshi also grew up in Sugar Land and studied nursing at UT Austin) Yeah that makes sense. Where are the ABC kids in here most likely from? It seems like irregardless of region, ABCs are smaller faced and oval looking compared than say Chinese Millenials, and that it is very rare to see e.g Yue Yunpeng type faces on similar region ABCs.
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jan 30, 2023 9:17:58 GMT
Sugar Land and Pearland are both south side suburbs (in the non-Aussie sense) of Houston. I think these videos have too small of a sample size to be useful for evaluating regional ancestry For this Pearland video the guy at 3:10 looks vaguely Fujian-ish. Both the woman and the man at the beginning sound very Beijing I've only been to the Houston area once to visit a family friend (not in either of those suburban cities), and once while passing through. Would like to visit Houston again as an adult for a food tour in Houston proper + Kevjumba/Keshi pilgrimage to Sugar Land (Keshi also grew up in Sugar Land and studied nursing at UT Austin) Yeah that makes sense. Where are the ABC kids in here most likely from? It seems like irregardless of region, ABCs are smaller faced and oval looking compared than say Chinese Millenials, and that it is very rare to see e.g Yue Yunpeng type faces on similar region ABCs. Will need to rewatch later, but not Guangdong and probably not Fujian either? Some are def Northern but the others seem Yangtze Basin-ish to me? As a group they just look non-South China Sea coast PRC List of pro-independence Taiwanese public figures with waishengren fathers: www.quora.com/Are-there-any-Waishengren-mainlanders-in-Taiwan-that-are-against-unification-with-the-Peoples-Republic-of-China-PRC/answer/T%C4%93nn-Khong-L%C3%AEm-Ah-L%C3%AEmeyelid plastic surgery aside do they look recognizably non-PRC? I think most of them look typically regional for their on-paper waishengren ancestry
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Post by uisashi on Jan 31, 2023 2:35:54 GMT
Taiwanese Waishengren elite look more ABC due to shared lifestyle so that makes sense.
Yeah those kids, I think Samuel Hu, Ryan Jia and the last kid are probs northern, rest central or changjiang.
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 31, 2023 4:35:45 GMT
Thoughts on the people here? There are two Cantonese people interviewed here that I think pretty fairly common for their region. Btw Sugar Land is the Houston suburb Kevjumba is from. 2nd guy gives me vaguely Northern Chinese vibes, both in terms of face shape and accent. None of them had Taiwanese accents, I don’t think. The Cantonese speakers look Canto. Edward Ma looks distinctly Canto- probably can’t pass anywhere else in China or eastern Asia. Not sure if you would agreed with this, but in that music video, Edward Ma remind me of some Pinoys and some lighter skinned Indonesians that I have seen before. It could be from the dark lightening effects of the video production.
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 31, 2023 4:36:48 GMT
Sugarland might be more southern than say Maryland or New Jersey in Chinese regional ancestry it seems Off topic but can I ask you something in PM?
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Post by uisashi on Jan 31, 2023 4:51:30 GMT
Sugarland might be more southern than say Maryland or New Jersey in Chinese regional ancestry it seems Off topic but can I ask you something in PM? Yeah dude go ahead
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Post by throway2 on Feb 13, 2023 2:18:08 GMT
A group picture from a hopi reservation high school basketball team. There are two east asians (though I couldn't ascertain if they were Chinese or Korean based on surname) and one Filipino. Which players are these three? shirvanshah mnopsc1b okarinaofsteiner
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Feb 15, 2023 8:22:35 GMT
A group picture from a hopi reservation high school basketball team. There are two east asians (though I couldn't ascertain if they were Chinese or Korean based on surname) and one Filipino. Which players are these three? My gut says front far right, back far right, and back center are East* Asian. Specifically, Hopi 5 looks Filipino, Hopi 10 looks Chinese, and Hopi 44 looks Korean. The rest all look "Mexican-ish" to me (I know 95% of actual Overseas Mexicans don't look that indigenous lol)
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Post by mnopsc1b on Feb 17, 2023 3:17:47 GMT
A group picture from a hopi reservation high school basketball team. There are two east asians (though I couldn't ascertain if they were Chinese or Korean based on surname) and one Filipino. Which players are these three? shirvanshah mnopsc1b okarinaofsteiner Back row center and back row second person to the right look East Asian to me. For the Filipino I have a different opinion from okarina, I feel that front row first person to the left looks more Filipino-passing than Hopi 5.
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Post by throway2 on Feb 19, 2023 5:51:49 GMT
Back row center and back row second person to the right look East Asian to me. For the Filipino I have a different opinion from okarina, I feel that front row first person to the left looks more Filipino-passing than Hopi 5. Sorry, oka was right here
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Post by throway2 on Feb 19, 2023 6:05:12 GMT
Also mnopsc1b I have a new theory I have been mulling over- To what extent could a part of the "northern han"-like influence in Koreans, have actually been from non-Sinitic SinoTibetan groups living in the area? I have the following clues that one could have existed: 1) Starting in the middle neolithic, West Liao River cultures became increasingly UpperYellowRiver-like (previously were more Tungusic-like) and by the late neolithic, could be mostly modeled by Upper Yellow River or even just Shanxi Han. But this group is quite far from the "Chinese" cultural center (this area was not even "Chinese" until mid/late Zhou). 2) Chinese records show that instead, a group called "Shanrong" was living in northeast Hebei until they were conquered in the warring states period (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanrong). "Rong" also tends to denote Tibeto-Burman-ish peoples? So it is possible whoever lived here could just be an independent Sino-Tibetan group. 3) Manchu/Xibo are majority "Chinese-like", but it would be rather difficult for Tungusics to assimilate en-masse actual Chinese people who have a strong centralized culture. Instead, if they were living more like decentralized Tibeto-Burman bands, it would be easier to assimilate and Tungusize them. 4) The Chinese-like autosomal proportion of Koreans can be quite high, but I do not know if the population from Han commanderies or later sparse migrants would be enough to bring it up that much. It could be possible that something northern Han-like, but not actually "Chinese", got into the Korean genome en-masse at one point? Hence, I theorize now that there could have been a non-Sinitic (or at least "Chinese mainstream"), but still Sino-Tibetan group living in the northeast Hebei, north Liaoning area that were later assimilated into Goguryeo (in the east), Tungusics (from the north), and bulk Chinese (in the west). However, this would also imply that there could be non-Sino-Xenic but still Sino-Tibetan loanwords in the Korean language. Do you know if it would be possible to detect anything like this? Ie. something Old Chinese or Tibeto-Burman like?
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Post by mnopsc1b on Feb 20, 2023 1:50:11 GMT
Back row center and back row second person to the right look East Asian to me. For the Filipino I have a different opinion from okarina, I feel that front row first person to the left looks more Filipino-passing than Hopi 5. Sorry, oka was right here If Hopi 5 is Filipino then he likely has recent East Asian (likely Fujianese) admixtures, most Filipinos I've seen look more southern than him and more similar to the guy at the leftmost position in the front row. For reference, here's a photo of young Ifugao women from the Philippines
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Post by mnopsc1b on Feb 20, 2023 1:56:59 GMT
Also mnopsc1b I have a new theory I have been mulling over- To what extent could a part of the "northern han"-like influence in Koreans, have actually been from non-Sinitic SinoTibetan groups living in the area? I have the following clues that one could have existed: 1) Starting in the middle neolithic, West Liao River cultures became increasingly UpperYellowRiver-like (previously were more Tungusic-like) and by the late neolithic, could be mostly modeled by Upper Yellow River or even just Shanxi Han. But this group is quite far from the "Chinese" cultural center (this area was not even "Chinese" until mid/late Zhou). 2) Chinese records show that instead, a group called "Shanrong" was living in northeast Hebei until they were conquered in the warring states period (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanrong). "Rong" also tends to denote Tibeto-Burman-ish peoples? So it is possible whoever lived here could just be an independent Sino-Tibetan group. 3) Manchu/Xibo are majority "Chinese-like", but it would be rather difficult for Tungusics to assimilate en-masse actual Chinese people who have a strong centralized culture. Instead, if they were living more like decentralized Tibeto-Burman bands, it would be easier to assimilate and Tungusize them. 4) The Chinese-like autosomal proportion of Koreans can be quite high, but I do not know if the population from Han commanderies or later sparse migrants would be enough to bring it up that much. It could be possible that something northern Han-like, but not actually "Chinese", got into the Korean genome en-masse at one point? Hence, I theorize now that there could have been a non-Sinitic (or at least "Chinese mainstream"), but still Sino-Tibetan group living in the northeast Hebei, north Liaoning area that were later assimilated into Goguryeo (in the east), Tungusics (from the north), and bulk Chinese (in the west). However, this would also imply that there could be non-Sino-Xenic but still Sino-Tibetan loanwords in the Korean language. Do you know if it would be possible to detect anything like this? Ie. something Old Chinese or Tibeto-Burman like? Sorry but I'm not interested in the affair between Northern Chinese and Koreans. And I've never claimed that the Han commanderies were the only source of Yellow River genome among the Koreans but merely stated that they were one of the contributing factors. The relation between the inhabitants of the Korean peninsula and those of the Yellow River region likely goes back to the Neolithic times if not earlier. And I think it's possible that there could have been other Non-Sinitic Sino-Tibetan peoples that once inhabited Northern China.
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