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Post by uisashi on Jan 26, 2023 1:54:36 GMT
Hi MNOPs, how much exercise did young people in china from teens now to your generation get? Were people usually sporty? Are girls athletic or no. Do southerners exercise more?
Prc Abcs here are typically active until maybe 13, then some of them become more sedentary. Ofc some of them still take sports seriously, but others don't.
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Post by uisashi on Jan 26, 2023 2:09:38 GMT
I think the average college white person eats way healthier than the average north China millenial. Like it's not even close.
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 26, 2023 3:08:08 GMT
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jan 26, 2023 3:55:07 GMT
What even is Siamese admix causing someone to not look PRC? Like aren't select Guangxi people probably more "Siamese" than Teochews in Thailand. There're a lot of GX people that look more "SE Asian" or more "Siamese" than the Hokkiens or Teochews in Thailand, I'm too lazy to search for pictures so allow me to re-use the pictures that I've posted at the beginning of the thread.   And even some Cantonese speakers from GD look more "Siamese" than Hokkiens or Teochews, like for instance the former Guangzhou soccer player Feng Junyan, he looks a bit like Superbon Singha Mawynn in this photo (again I'm too lazy to search for other examples)  Native SE Asians don't all look the same... I figured you of all people would know this. Even just within Mainland SE Asia, Siamese, Khmers, and Vietnamese all look different from each other. The Quora examples you posted here are kind of Vietnamese passing but judging from street videos and stock photo images I've seen of Thailand I don't think they look Siamese. Just curious, do I look more SE Asian influenced than both him and his son? What makes the "pseudo-Nordsinid"/pseudo Teochew face type with those features bolded look distinctly Thai? Idk, hard to say? Same as the father? Son probably passes more widely in China than you do. The face type I described looks "distinctly Thai" to me because I see that combination of features + face shape more often among Thais who probably have a lot of Chinese ancestry than among any other East/Southeast Asian group of people. Re: Thanadsri Svasti- yes and it's still obvious in the most recent photos where he's older. Reminds me of some Overseas Chinese Cambodians with known Khmer ancestry that I've met IRL. |
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 26, 2023 4:20:35 GMT
There're a lot of GX people that look more "SE Asian" or more "Siamese" than the Hokkiens or Teochews in Thailand, I'm too lazy to search for pictures so allow me to re-use the pictures that I've posted at the beginning of the thread. And even some Cantonese speakers from GD look more "Siamese" than Hokkiens or Teochews, like for instance the former Guangzhou soccer player Feng Junyan, he looks a bit like Superbon Singha Mawynn in this photo (again I'm too lazy to search for other examples) Native SE Asians don't all look the same... I figured you of all people would know this. Even just within Mainland SE Asia, Siamese, Khmers, and Vietnamese all look different from each other. The Quora examples you posted here are kind of Vietnamese passing but judging from street videos and stock photo images I've seen of Thailand I don't think they look Siamese. True, I don't deny that SE Asia is a quite diverse place. No one here disagrees with you on this. But still, I reckon that these Lingnan individuals would pass better in SE Asia as a native than Mr. Devakula and his son, who definitely do not look Siamese. You can compare them with Buakaw or with Superbon (both of which came from native Siamese backgrounds) and see the differences for yourself. Although diverse, SE Asians do share some common traits, like very low eyebrows and relatively large eyes, which Mr. Devakula and his son don't have, and neither does Ma Huateng (whom you claim to be SE Asian passing but he just looks like a regular Central Chinese to me). You need to face the reality that high eyebrows and small shallow eyes represent northern influences hence are not native to FSC or SE Asia. |
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 26, 2023 4:27:38 GMT
okarinaofsteiner mnopsc1b uisashi How about, M.R. (Mom Rajawongse) Thanadsri Svasti (pronounce more like Sawasdiwat), a national artist, former singer, actor and food writer? He also likely has significant Chinese ancestry (judging by his looks) but is also very assimilated culturally (don't speak any dialects/languages or practice the culture) and also part of the royal family. Does he exhibit any Siamese/Mon/Khmer influence in his phenotype? Younger pics:   Old age:     With one of his children:  He still looks very Chinese, more specifically Fujianese/Taiwanese/Teochew, though the first picture gives me slight Guo Degang vibes (Guo is a famous Chinese comedian from Tianjin in Northern China). Maybe slight Siamese influences at the lower face, though aren't enough to change his overall phenotype. |
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 26, 2023 4:35:14 GMT
Hi MNOPs, how much exercise did young people in china from teens now to your generation get? Were people usually sporty? Are girls athletic or no. Do southerners exercise more? Prc Abcs here are typically active until maybe 13, then some of them become more sedentary. Ofc some of them still take sports seriously, but others don't. The majority of pampered kids in Beijing probably abandon physical exercise as early as the 3rd or the 4th year of primary school (unless they want to continue in sports but very few choose to do so), and with increasing pressures it's getting younger and younger. Girls aren't athletic either. I cannot say for all southerners, but southerners from villages or small towns definitely exercise more than Beijing kids, they have to help their family harvest sugar canes, rice, maize, fruits, etc. |
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Post by uisashi on Jan 26, 2023 7:44:36 GMT
Wtf? 3rd or 4th grade, you serious? I personally took sports semi seriously; played basketball for club until maybe 16 and after I was 15 I did running. It's hard for me to imagine that so few are athletic. Like don't these Beijinger parents make their kids exercise?
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 27, 2023 3:39:33 GMT
Wtf? 3rd or 4th grade, you serious? I personally took sports semi seriously; played basketball for club until maybe 16 and after I was 15 I did running. It's hard for me to imagine that so few are athletic. Like don't these Beijinger parents make their kids exercise? Some might continue up until the 6th grade, but very few go beyond that (unless they want to pursue a career in sports, which very few Chinese parents encourage their kids to do). I remember watching a documentary about a Beijing soccer training camp and the trainer there said many kids tend to drop off after the 5th or the 6th grade. I wasn't very sportive when I was in China, but after immigrating to Canada I fell in love with soccer under the influence of immigrants from Latin America and Africa, and at one point in time I really wanted to pursue a career in soccer. 2011 and 2012 were the years when I was most active in soccer, but after I got into university in late 2012 I decided to stop due to growing pressures. |
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jan 27, 2023 5:21:35 GMT
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 27, 2023 5:37:45 GMT
I'd say she has a pan Southern Chinese look rather than distinctively Canto. She can easily pass in places like Fujian, Jiangxi, Hunan, Hubei, Sichuan, etc. |
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 27, 2023 13:47:23 GMT
Would Bolo Yeung have the typical Cantonese phenotype in your opinion? Could pass but definitely not typical. I looked up Bolo Yeung's origin and found that he originated from Meizhou in northeastern Guangdong, which is a Hakka speaking area and not Canto speaking. Bolo Yeung is rather robust and his facial features and eye region are closer to Hokkien than to Cantonese. He reminds me a bit of Bobby Yip, a Hong Kong comedian of Hokkien origin. Typical Cantonese types can be represented by celebrities like Donnie Yen, Dennis To, William Chan, Derek Kok, Louis Koo (all of them originated from Canto-speaking areas) and sportsmen like Feng Junyan and Peng Weiguo, they're all rather lanky-looking and have relatively slender faces and bodies. I think I have a pretty good grasp now on how to tell Hokkien and Cantonese apart, Hokkien people are more robust-looking (could be due to ancient Sinitic or Hmong-Mien influences), whereas Cantos are more gracile / more lanky (likely due to Daic influences). How about Edward Ma: does he look typical for Cantonese? He is a celebrity from Hong Kong:   In this MV: he looks fairly SE Asian-shifted |
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Post by uisashi on Jan 28, 2023 0:52:02 GMT
Thoughts on the people here? There are two Cantonese people interviewed here that I think pretty fairly common for their region.
Btw, thoughts on head size/robustness in East Asia? My current hypothesis is that head size is mostly environmental and most of East Asia might have similar sized faces/heads, except maybe Guangdong which might lean smaller at times. If you equate lifestyle, it seems a lot of current "pheno differences" simply disappear.
Stopped is some half Hebei half Tianjin New Zealand ABC, I think most people of his background or similar here honestly have similar face sizes. Very rarely do Yue Yunpeng sized faces show up imo.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 28, 2023 18:35:49 GMT
Could pass but definitely not typical. I looked up Bolo Yeung's origin and found that he originated from Meizhou in northeastern Guangdong, which is a Hakka speaking area and not Canto speaking. Bolo Yeung is rather robust and his facial features and eye region are closer to Hokkien than to Cantonese. He reminds me a bit of Bobby Yip, a Hong Kong comedian of Hokkien origin. Typical Cantonese types can be represented by celebrities like Donnie Yen, Dennis To, William Chan, Derek Kok, Louis Koo (all of them originated from Canto-speaking areas) and sportsmen like Feng Junyan and Peng Weiguo, they're all rather lanky-looking and have relatively slender faces and bodies. I think I have a pretty good grasp now on how to tell Hokkien and Cantonese apart, Hokkien people are more robust-looking (could be due to ancient Sinitic or Hmong-Mien influences), whereas Cantos are more gracile / more lanky (likely due to Daic influences). How about Edward Ma: does he look typical for Cantonese? He is a celebrity from Hong Kong: In this MV: he looks fairly SE Asian-shifted I couldn't find much info about his origin other than he was born in HK, but yes he looks quite typically Canto. |
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jan 28, 2023 21:45:12 GMT
Thoughts on the people here? There are two Cantonese people interviewed here that I think pretty fairly common for their region. Btw Sugar Land is the Houston suburb Kevjumba is from. 2nd guy gives me vaguely Northern Chinese vibes, both in terms of face shape and accent. None of them had Taiwanese accents, I don’t think. The Cantonese speakers look Canto. Edward Ma looks distinctly Canto- probably can’t pass anywhere else in China or eastern Asia. |
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