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Post by throway2 on Jun 30, 2022 5:45:30 GMT
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jun 30, 2022 6:07:45 GMT
Now that I think about it, Left passes slightly better as Chinese IMO even if she looks more distinctly southern. I don't think either passes particularly well as Lingnan Han though. Right's eye shape + eye size just doesn't exist among the most southern-looking Han Chinese I've seen IRL or seen photos/video clips of online. Actor Chen Tang (唐辰瀛) is ethnic Zhuang and grew up in Guangxi before moving to the US. Here's a photo of him You accused me of cherry-picking in a private message on Anthrogenica, but you're much more of a cherry-picker than me. Celebrities, especially actors or actresses, are quite bad at representing a region, and I think you know that quite well. But not only that, you deliberately selected a photo where the actor is smiling and squinting his eyes to suit your agenda. The actor is probably not a full-blooded Zhuang, cause Tang (唐) isn't a super common Guangxi or Zhuang family name as far as I know (the most common Zhuang family names are Wei 韦, Huang 黄, and Qin 覃), instead it's more common in Sichuan and Hunan, so it's possible that he has Sichuan or Hunan bloodlines. But still I can see that he has some Far South features, such as bushy eyebrows that are set rather close to the eyes, which I tend to associate with Far South Chinese. Anyways, the dozens of random individual photos as well as the athlete photos that I provided should be much more representative of Lingnan features than the one actor photo you deliberately selected. And I can definitely see the Phu Thai girl on the left passing in GD and GX either among the Cantonese or among the minorities, no doubt about that. As for the girl on the right, now that I come to think of it, her features might be more typical in Yunnan. uisashi says he messaged Chen Tang himself on IG and confirmed that both of his parents are Zhuang. I think he looks quite Lingnan, he passes as Vietnamese better than the Phu Thai ladies Kheshigten posted. Here's another photo of him (likely airbrushed somehow) where he isn't smiling. Again, very easily Viet passing in this one. ( link)
Re: throway's observation- I agree with you in that Southern Han generally have smaller builds than Northern Han, and more southern populations tend to have smaller bodies (e.g. Cantonese Han are either shorter or lankier on average than Minnan Han). This is fairly well known and doesn'tneed explanation. But I also agree that southern coastal Han tend to have larger limbs relative to their overall body size, which is how you can have this combination of thicker arms and sturdier calf muscles with lower overall body weight. It's like what uisashi once said about women's curviness- "southern" East Asians have more prominent curves than "northern" East Asians at the same BMI, but the size of their curves might be smaller because they also have smaller bodies to begin with.
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jun 30, 2022 6:19:21 GMT
"I still hold such opinions to this day. Northern Chinese, particularly those from the eastern and northeastern parts of Northern China, are much stockier than the majority if not all of Southern Chinese I've encountered. They're probably the stockiest East Asians out there along with Mongols and Koreans." Koreans and northeastern Chinese are far stockier than Mongols. Mongolian wrestlers do not represent the average Mongol at all. Please do not hold onto stereotypes like this. "I think there's a clear positive correlation between the amount of Northern Han genome and the level of stockiness among East Asians, the more Northern Han or Neolithic Yellow River genome a population has, the stockier they are." Northwestern Chinese are often thin in build, but might be somewhat stockier than Tibetans and Mongols due to being more southern-shifted. They are less stocky than Northeastern Chinese. There is a clearer positive correlation between being a coastal rice farming group (or historically so, as rice farming had early roots in Shandong/lower yellow river) and being stocky. This tends to correspond well to Austronesian admixture. "However, Cantonese, with okay or even adequate nutrition and economical development, are still much less stockier than Northern Chinese and Koreans, and this could only be due to their Daic-like genes." (Image of Cantonese laborers in America, a long time before Guangdong was developed). It's possible that Cantonese actually became less stocky with development, in a similar manner to Koreans and Japanese (older Koreans/Japanese are extremely stocky). Sorry, but rice farming didn't have early roots in Shandong/Lower Yellow River, it originated from the mid to lower reaches of the Yangtse in Central China around 8 to 9 kya, and spread both to the north and to the south. The early peoples of Shandong were hunter-gatherers or millet farmers, and there's nothing that indicates they were Austronesians. Their genome is even more northern-shifted than today's Northern Chinese. Perhaps I was unclear- I dont think Shandong was necessarily the "origin" of all rice farming, but it's clear that it was at least a major early node (esp. of rice farming transmission towards Korea and Japan). "I don't deny that Shandong could be an important relay station for the spread of rice cultivation to Korea/Japan and to other parts of Northern China, but how does that have anything to do with stockiness? Does rice cultivation require the farmers to be particularly stocky? I really don't think so judging by my observations, instead it's probably the opposite I would say. IMHO stockiness was a relic from the hunter-gathering populations that inhabited Northern China in the Upper Paleolithic or Early Neolithic, and these peoples largely mixed into the emerging farming populations, hence the reason why early Neolithic Shandong peoples were quite northern-shifted in their genome." Literally every single hunter-gatherer group in existence is skinny. Hunter-gatherers need long legs to run fast. Amerindians are also very thin in build compared to most East Asians, though probably comparable to Mongols/Central Asians. On the other hand, you need much more leg strength, etc. to squat and grow rice, pick up boxes, etc. in a rice-farming lifestyle. Rice farming requires a particularly long squatting time as well compared to wheat/millet farming. Hence, rice farmers become more stocky and muscular than usual. Edited for ease of reading. Re: hunter-gatherers being skinny- South Asians also have relatively skinny limbs but "fat" torsos, which like their higher risk of heart disease is thought to be due to their AASI ancestry.
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Post by shirvanshah on Jun 30, 2022 7:19:30 GMT
So in China her look would be most common in Guangxi, Sipsongpanna and parts of Guangdong among ethnic Zhuang, Dai and some other minorities? Where in China would the right girl look be the most common? Both can pass in GX and GD among either Han or minority, and both can pass in Yunnan among either Han or minority as well. The right one has a slightly better chance to pass in Central China than the left one, but still I'm stretching things a bit cause even the right one looks rather Thai. I think the right girl's look is probably the most common in Yunnan or Sichuan TBH, while the left one can pass in Yunnan as well as GD and GX. I see. That would mean the right girl look slightly more northern-shifted than the left one. I'm curious what makes the right one still looks rather Thai? Is it her eyes, smile? Can the left girl pass only among the Tai-Kradai minorities and Han with heavy Tai blood such as Guangxi, Guangdong Han or she can pass among other non-Taiminorities in the provinces you highlighted as well? Regarding the minorities for the right girl, she can pass only as the Tai ethnic minorities or also others such as Yi, Bai, Naxi, Hmong/Miao, as well? Furthermore regarding the Taiwanese Aborigines, how common are the Seediq Bale actor phenotypes among the indigenous Taiwanese?
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Post by throway2 on Jun 30, 2022 15:46:19 GMT
Re: throway's observation- I agree with you in that Southern Han generally have smaller builds than Northern Han, and more southern populations tend to have smaller bodies (e.g. Cantonese Han are either shorter or lankier on average than Minnan Han). This is fairly well known and doesn'tneed explanation. I'm actually not sure about this either... I earlier on assumed this (and supported this assumption with Bergmann's rule). But I recall existing data stating the contrary (Mongols with longer limbs as well as narrower shoulders than northern Han, but Guangxi Han with wider shoulders). I may post the raw data here if I am able to find it sometime. Mongolian body types may be influenced by Indo-European steppe-related admixture, but I also dont find eastern tungusic groups (with less caucasoid admixture) particularly larger etc. in upper body compared to Mongols. Many northern han, korean, japanese body types may be characterized as not really resembling actual "northern" asians... You may look at the body types of Udeges in this video. And even if Bergmann's rule is valid, it probably would not apply as a strict rule to human populations for overall body morphology because humans simply wear thicker clothing in colder weather. Cold adaptation perhaps might apply to hands/feet and face however, as actual "tungids" do seem to have less prominent facial features (eg. smaller nose and eyes) as well as shorter-digited but fatter hands and feet. Examining data on feet size by ethnicity seems to correspond to an increasing trend from Mongolia to TW Han and Filipinos. This makes sense as these regions are exposed to cold more often (moreso hands and face, but hand and feet growth/morphology may be linked). The thin limbs of Siberians is probably related to their lifestyle being more mobile as well as less taxing on eg. fast twitch muscles of limbs than rice farming groups.
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Post by shirvanshah on Jun 30, 2022 18:50:43 GMT
okarinaofsteiner In China can they pass among Southern minorities such as Dai, Zhuang, Bouyei, Maonan? By "Thai" do you mean more like the assimilated Mon-Khmer Central Thai/Siamese with some Chinese blood or more like Northern Thai/Dai direction? Would they pass overall better in Vietnam than Thailand? Because tbh, I think their look is pretty atypical for Thailand except the Northern Region (former Lanna kingdom) and maybe parts of Northern Isaan/Northeast. Even I feel that they look a bit northern-shifted for their ethnic group. Btw their ethnic group is related to Thai (not the same as "Thai" of Thailand) of Northwest Vietnam, Nung and Tay ethnic groups of Northeast Vietnam. No idea about Daic-speaking minority groups in China, I just know neither really looks Canto. They just have big round eyes and SEA-ish facial proportions. I kind of get why mnopsc1b thinks the one on the right can pass further north in China, but the size of her eyes + the shape of her eyes is too "exotic" for her to really pass as Han Chinese or even Vietnamese. Idk if it's a "Hoabinhian" phenotype but it's definitely very distinctly southern looking IMO. My internal frame of reference for "Thai" would be your first group, but they also resemble some individuals you've PMed me from your second group way more than the Viets I've met IRL. Neither really looks Viet to me, although the one on the left would pass a little better IMO. The one on the right has a relatively narrow nose + mouth + jaw area, which is what makes her superficially "Chinese passing". The shape of her nostrils + lower nose is actually very distinctly SEA looking, and the shape of her lips is very Mainland SEA looking to me. She has a "Thai plastic surgery-oid look" to me. You think the girl on the right have big round eyes? I don't think its "Hoabinhian" phenotype because that would resemble Onge/Jarawa aka Negrito influence more. "Austroasiatic" influence is probably more accurate to describe the size and shape of her eyes. I see. Well the Phu Thai as well many Northern Thai and Lao of Laos/Northern Isaan (referring to the individuals I PM you) seem to substantial Austroasiatic admixture compared to Kinh/Viets based on G25 analyses I run on them despite the latter speaking an Austroasiatic language. That could be why they look different from actual Viets you encountered. I will post some of the models I run on them later. I understand what you mean with the "Thai plastic surgery-oid look". Off topic do you know any Vietnamese Anthroforum users who we can invite to this forum? I want to also see their opinions regarding Tai-Kradai including Northern Thais and Lao phenotypes. How about this girl? She is from Phayao in Northern Thailand which means predominantly Dai/Tai-Kradai genes. Two of the Northern Thai gedmatch samples come from this province: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phayao_provinceCan she pass in Vietnam or Southern China? mnopsc1b i.imgur.com/WGqEKiS.jpgi.imgur.com/UKTluFn.jpgi.imgur.com/gzxMFpf.jpgi.imgur.com/w3poFyI.jpg (can the guy handling her the money in the last two pics pass as Viet or Southern Chinese?) i.imgur.com/Mg5xkNN.jpg
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 1, 2022 0:00:42 GMT
No idea about Daic-speaking minority groups in China, I just know neither really looks Canto. They just have big round eyes and SEA-ish facial proportions. I kind of get why mnopsc1b thinks the one on the right can pass further north in China, but the size of her eyes + the shape of her eyes is too "exotic" for her to really pass as Han Chinese or even Vietnamese. Idk if it's a "Hoabinhian" phenotype but it's definitely very distinctly southern looking IMO. My internal frame of reference for "Thai" would be your first group, but they also resemble some individuals you've PMed me from your second group way more than the Viets I've met IRL. Neither really looks Viet to me, although the one on the left would pass a little better IMO. The one on the right has a relatively narrow nose + mouth + jaw area, which is what makes her superficially "Chinese passing". The shape of her nostrils + lower nose is actually very distinctly SEA looking, and the shape of her lips is very Mainland SEA looking to me. She has a "Thai plastic surgery-oid look" to me. You think the girl on the right have big round eyes? I don't think its "Hoabinhian" phenotype because that would resemble Onge/Jarawa aka Negrito influence more. "Austroasiatic" influence is probably more accurate to describe the size and shape of her eyes. I see. Well the Phu Thai as well many Northern Thai and Lao of Laos/Northern Isaan (referring to the individuals I PM you) seem to substantial Austroasiatic admixture compared to Kinh/Viets based on G25 analyses I run on them despite the latter speaking an Austroasiatic language. That could be why they look different from actual Viets you encountered. I will post some of the models I run on them later. I understand what you mean with the "Thai plastic surgery-oid look". Off topic do you know any Vietnamese Anthroforum users who we can invite to this forum? I want to also see their opinions regarding Tai-Kradai including Northern Thais and Lao phenotypes. How about this girl? She is from Phayao in Northern Thailand which means predominantly Dai/Tai-Kradai genes. Two of the Northern Thai gedmatch samples come from this province: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phayao_provinceCan she pass in Vietnam or Southern China? mnopsc1b i.imgur.com/WGqEKiS.jpgi.imgur.com/UKTluFn.jpgi.imgur.com/gzxMFpf.jpgi.imgur.com/w3poFyI.jpg (can the guy handling her the money in the last two pics pass as Viet or Southern Chinese?) i.imgur.com/Mg5xkNN.jpgThe girl can definitely pass in Vietnam, though my experience with Vietnamese phenotypes is rather limited. For China, I'll give 2 yes and 4 maybes. Yunnan yes she can pass, Guangxi yes, Guangdong maybe (western parts of Guangdong), Hainan maybe, Guizhou maybe, and Hunan maybe (the southern and southwestern parts of Hunan). Outside of the aforementioned yes and maybe regions, I don't think she could pass elsewhere. Yes the guy handing her the money can definitely pass as Vietnamese or Southern Chinese, in fact he might even be able to pass as Central or Northern Chinese.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 1, 2022 0:18:00 GMT
Nope, only those from tropical regions are skinny, whereas those living in or near the polar regions like the Tungusic peoples, the Inuits, and certain North American natives can be quite stocky and strongly-built. In fact I think being skinny or stocky has more to do with the environment they're living in rather than their lifestyle. So in your opinion, only those with body builds similar to Boke/Sumo/Ssireum wrestlers qualify as rice farmers? I don't know what you're smoking, but that couldn't be further from the truth, you need a reality check. Have you ever seen people transplanting rice seedlings in real life or on TV? It doesn't require much strength so being stocky is of no use at all, however it does require being focused, being dexterous, and standing or squatting for long hours under the sun, and I think skinny people who are better adapted for tropical conditions actually prevail in such circumstances. In fact contrary to what you're claiming, agriculture probably made people skinnier, weaker, and more prone to diseases instead of stockier or stronger. P.S I was responding to this post made by throway2, not sure why the quote isn't showing up.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 1, 2022 0:41:02 GMT
Except Chang isn't a Cantonese surname, it's most likely Taiwanese. If no more details were provided, then there's no way for you to know for certain that everyone in that photo was Cantonese. These guys don't look that Cantonese to me but rather Pan Chinese or Pan East Asian, and there're 2 guys in the front row that look hyper northern. Maybe the Cantonese that I'm more familiar with are from Western GD or GX, whereas they could be from the Pearl River Delta. Anyways, they don't look Cantonese to me.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 1, 2022 0:58:38 GMT
You accused me of cherry-picking in a private message on Anthrogenica, but you're much more of a cherry-picker than me. Celebrities, especially actors or actresses, are quite bad at representing a region, and I think you know that quite well. But not only that, you deliberately selected a photo where the actor is smiling and squinting his eyes to suit your agenda. The actor is probably not a full-blooded Zhuang, cause Tang (唐) isn't a super common Guangxi or Zhuang family name as far as I know (the most common Zhuang family names are Wei 韦, Huang 黄, and Qin 覃), instead it's more common in Sichuan and Hunan, so it's possible that he has Sichuan or Hunan bloodlines. But still I can see that he has some Far South features, such as bushy eyebrows that are set rather close to the eyes, which I tend to associate with Far South Chinese. Anyways, the dozens of random individual photos as well as the athlete photos that I provided should be much more representative of Lingnan features than the one actor photo you deliberately selected. And I can definitely see the Phu Thai girl on the left passing in GD and GX either among the Cantonese or among the minorities, no doubt about that. As for the girl on the right, now that I come to think of it, her features might be more typical in Yunnan. uisashi says he messaged Chen Tang himself on IG and confirmed that both of his parents are Zhuang. I think he looks quite Lingnan, he passes as Vietnamese better than the Phu Thai ladies Kheshigten posted. Here's another photo of him (likely airbrushed somehow) where he isn't smiling. Again, very easily Viet passing in this one. ( link)
Re: throway's observation- I agree with you in that Southern Han generally have smaller builds than Northern Han, and more southern populations tend to have smaller bodies (e.g. Cantonese Han are either shorter or lankier on average than Minnan Han). This is fairly well known and doesn'tneed explanation. But I also agree that southern coastal Han tend to have larger limbs relative to their overall body size, which is how you can have this combination of thicker arms and sturdier calf muscles with lower overall body weight. It's like what uisashi once said about women's curviness- "southern" East Asians have more prominent curves than "northern" East Asians at the same BMI, but the size of their curves might be smaller because they also have smaller bodies to begin with. I don't really trust uisashi. How often do you see or hear that a celebrity would respond to a random stranger online asking about his family history? Hardly ever right? But even if the actor confirmed that he's pure Zhuang, chances are high that he doesn't know his family history quite well and judging by his surname he likely isn't full-blooded but is probably mixed with SW Mandarin speakers from Sichuan or Hunan. I cannot see the other photo you posted. But anyways, I've seen Zhuang that are a lot darker and much more Thai-passing than him. Zhuang is a quite large ethnic group and they have some diversity among them as well. You cannot just assume that all Zhuang look similar to this one actor.
The thing that you're saying about southern coastal Han mostly applies to those from Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Hokkien, and sometimes Teochew/Hakka, but not really Cantonese. Cantonese in general give me a rather slim and gracile impression, especially the women. Their body proportions look similar to neighboring southern minorities. I actually agree with uisashi's observation that southern East Asian women have more prominent curves than northern East Asian women, but I think it's precisely because they have smaller frames smaller bones and thinner waists that make them more curvy.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 1, 2022 1:04:26 GMT
"I think there's a clear positive correlation between the amount of Northern Han genome and the level of stockiness among East Asians, the more Northern Han or Neolithic Yellow River genome a population has, the stockier they are." Northwestern Chinese are often thin in build, but might be somewhat stockier than Tibetans and Mongols due to being more southern-shifted. They are less stocky than Northeastern Chinese. There is a clearer positive correlation between being a coastal rice farming group (or historically so, as rice farming had early roots in Shandong/lower yellow river) and being stocky. This tends to correspond well to Austronesian admixture. (Image of Cantonese laborers in America, a long time before Guangdong was developed). It's possible that Cantonese actually became less stocky with development, in a similar manner to Koreans and Japanese (older Koreans/Japanese are extremely stocky). Perhaps I was unclear- I dont think Shandong was necessarily the "origin" of all rice farming, but it's clear that it was at least a major early node (esp. of rice farming transmission towards Korea and Japan). Literally every single hunter-gatherer group in existence is skinny. Hunter-gatherers need long legs to run fast. Amerindians are also very thin in build compared to most East Asians, though probably comparable to Mongols/Central Asians. On the other hand, you need much more leg strength, etc. to squat and grow rice, pick up boxes, etc. in a rice-farming lifestyle. Rice farming requires a particularly long squatting time as well compared to wheat/millet farming. Hence, rice farmers become more stocky and muscular than usual. Edited for ease of reading. Re: hunter-gatherers being skinny- South Asians also have relatively skinny limbs but "fat" torsos, which like their higher risk of heart disease is thought to be due to their AASI ancestry. Hunter-gatherers living in tropical regions tend to be skinny that I largely agree, but those from polar or subpolar regions aren't skinny at all. The Tungusic peoples, the Mongols, the Inuits, and certain North American natives are quite stocky and strong and it would be lying to say that they're all skinny. Neither their limbs nor their torso are skinny. You and throway2 need more reality check.
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Post by throway2 on Jul 1, 2022 1:22:05 GMT
Nope, only those from tropical regions are skinny, whereas those living in or near the polar regions like the Tungusic peoples, the Inuits, and certain North American natives can be quite stocky and strongly-built. In fact I think being skinny or stocky has more to do with the environment they're living in rather than their lifestyle. So in your opinion, only those with body builds similar to Boke/Sumo/Ssireum wrestlers qualify as rice farmers? I don't know what you're smoking, but that couldn't be further from the truth, you need a reality check. Have you ever seen people transplanting rice seedlings in real life or on TV? It doesn't require much strength so being stocky is of no use at all, however it does require being focused, being dexterous, and standing or squatting for long hours under the sun, and I think skinny people who are better adapted for tropical conditions actually prevail in such circumstances. In fact contrary to what you're claiming, agriculture probably made people skinnier, weaker, and more prone to diseases instead of stockier or stronger. Please go watch the videos I posted earlier featuring normal young Mongols and Udeges. Being stocky and muscular-limbed is even more useless for nomads and hunter-gatherers. Middle eastern, west asian, and southern European peoples are also stockier than northern Europeans, who tend very tall and skinny.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 1, 2022 1:24:12 GMT
Re: throway's observation- I agree with you in that Southern Han generally have smaller builds than Northern Han, and more southern populations tend to have smaller bodies (e.g. Cantonese Han are either shorter or lankier on average than Minnan Han). This is fairly well known and doesn'tneed explanation. I'm actually not sure about this either... I earlier on assumed this (and supported this assumption with Bergmann's rule). But I recall existing data stating the contrary (Mongols with longer limbs as well as narrower shoulders than northern Han, but Guangxi Han with wider shoulders). I may post the raw data here if I am able to find it sometime. Mongolian body types may be influenced by Indo-European steppe-related admixture, but I also dont find eastern tungusic groups (with less caucasoid admixture) particularly larger etc. in upper body compared to Mongols. Many northern han, korean, japanese body types may be characterized as not really resembling actual "northern" asians... You may look at the body types of Udeges in this video. And even if Bergmann's rule is valid, it probably would not apply as a strict rule to human populations for overall body morphology because humans simply wear thicker clothing in colder weather. Cold adaptation perhaps might apply to hands/feet and face however, as actual "tungids" do seem to have less prominent facial features (eg. smaller nose and eyes) as well as shorter-digited but fatter hands and feet. Examining data on feet size by ethnicity seems to correspond to an increasing trend from Mongolia to TW Han and Filipinos. This makes sense as these regions are exposed to cold more often (moreso hands and face, but hand and feet growth/morphology may be linked). The thin limbs of Siberians is probably related to their lifestyle being more mobile as well as less taxing on eg. fast twitch muscles of limbs than rice farming groups. LOL, you definitely need some reality check. Mongols have narrow shoulders and longer limbs? What are you smoking? And GX people don't have wide shoulders or frames either, on the contrary they probably have the smallest frame out of all Chinese, along with people from Guizhou, Yunnan, Guangdong, and Hainan. Ask any Chinese and they'll likely tell you the same thing as what I said. Northern populations (Mongols, Tungusic peoples, Korean, Japanese, and Northern Chinese, etc.) tend to have longer torsos but shorter limbs, whereas southern populations tend to have shorter torsos and longer limbs. The Nilotic people of tropical Africa have the longest limbs in proportionate to their bodies, proving what I said is true. SE Asians have higher Manouvrier's skelic index/Stem-leg length index than East and North Asians, again proving my point. I think both Bergmann's rule and Allen's rule apply to humans.
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Post by throway2 on Jul 1, 2022 1:29:18 GMT
Edited for ease of reading. Re: hunter-gatherers being skinny- South Asians also have relatively skinny limbs but "fat" torsos, which like their higher risk of heart disease is thought to be due to their AASI ancestry. Hunter-gatherers living in tropical regions tend to be skinny that I largely agree, but those from polar or subpolar regions aren't skinny at all. The Tungusic peoples, the Mongols, the Inuits, and certain North American natives are quite stocky and strong and it would be lying to say that they're all skinny. Neither their limbs nor their torso are skinny. You and throway2 need more reality check. Shorter-limbed, stocky, and fast-twitch populations tend to be good at weightlifting. In the Tokyo 2020 Olympics, Kazakhstan had two medalists in weightlifting. One was Hui/Dungan but atypically southern-looking. (Zulfiya Chinshanlo). The other (Igor Son) has a Korean surname. Both bronze medals, one in each gender. Why can't actual ethnic Kazakhs be competitive in this event? The reason is obvious Meanwhile, southern and (one) central Chinese men took 4/7 gold medals in weighlifting. Indonesians (ethnic Indonesians) took 2 medals (one silver, one bronze) in mens and 1 medal (bronze) in womens weightlifting. A Filipino women got a gold medal, as did a Taiwan Amis. So much for the stocky, strong tungids
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Post by throway2 on Jul 1, 2022 1:59:13 GMT
Furthermore regarding the Taiwanese Aborigines, how common are the Seediq Bale actor phenotypes among the indigenous Taiwanese? There are many Taiwanese aboriginals in this video (most older people) I guess guy at 2:31 might be seediq bale actor resembling? Also, at 6:27 they start putting their fists/arms up. Im extremely impressed by their consistently thick and girthy forearms.
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