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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 10, 2023 4:26:10 GMT
I think they pass best in Fujian and Taiwan, can also pass in Jiangxi and Hunan and the eastern parts of Guangdong (Teochew and Hakka), but can't really pass in Western GD and GX. For Hainan they could only pass as Hainan Min but not as Hainan Hlai or Gelong. Not an expert on Hainan but I've known a few Hlai and Gelong individuals over the years and they look rather SE Asian, there was one Gelong or Cun girl that I had known before (but had since lost contact) that looked straightly Thai/Khmer and you probably wouldn't even consider her as Chinese if you see her. I think you mostly only have experience with HKers or PRC residents from Guangzhou and Shenzhen, but those are metropolitan areas with a lot of migrants from other areas (especially from Fujian, Hunan, Jiangxi, etc.) and cannot represent the most authentic Cantonese or Lingnan look. The Cantonese heritage speakers I know IRL aren't from cosmopolitan backgrounds... lol. Taking another look at the photos, I don't think his siblings look particularly Japanese... at all. I actually think him and his sibings' lower passability in the Pearl River Delta is from their Siamese-influenced features, since the Siamese influence is slightly different from the Daic-like influence among Guangfu Yue speakers. Don't know if it is only me, but I feel my siblings and relatives are more northern looking. What's interesting though is that people always say I look very Chinese even though I feel my phenotype can change depending on the picture. For example, if I take a selfie of myself after immediately waking up, I noticed I can look more southern-shifted than usual strangely enough. I can relate. Sometime my hidden double eyelids come out if I'm sleep deprived or if I blink less often in a day. Not sure if it makes me look more "southern" though. You look different from his siblings in that the "Siamese" influence in your face is more in his nose and mouth, as opposed to your face shape or proportions (like your siblings), so your face is more "Sinid" looking. Actually the ones who people say can look Japanese are these relatives: Him: i.imgur.com/A1Q8630.jpgi.imgur.com/JjHJvYZ.jpg (on the left with his friend) i.imgur.com/kcW3Z5Q.jpg (with his maternal relatives and his younger brother who is the middle at the back of picture) Younger bro: i.imgur.com/GT3yqKj.jpgi.imgur.com/C3NZW8t.jpgi.imgur.com/S19Re6p.jpgI have a feeling that our Siamese influence might actually be much smaller/minimal than what I actually thought. Most of my maternal relatives (I don't have any young cousins on my mom side) including my grandma, grandaunts and granduncles actually have a pretty Southern Chinese phenotype especially the older when they get despite them supposedly being mixed with Siamese blood. My family also says my grandma looks kinda Japanese sometimes in her older age despite my maternal side being totally assimilated culturally (they only identified as "Thai" not as ethnic Chinese) compared to my dad side. Yes, I feel my eyes become bigger when I recently woke up lol. Like my double eyelids suddenly popped out of nowhere. Combined with my rather flat wide nose, it makes me even look more Southern than usual.
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 10, 2023 5:02:58 GMT
Which provinces are their looks the most common in? Can they pass as far as Shandong or anywhere else in the North? 1. More pics of my cousin and his brother for further clarity. Please don't quote 2. How about my other close cousin and his sister and brother?: No problem. Thank so much for your insights. They look non-northern Chinese, probably most common in Fujian. Though I do agree with Oka that they have a "non-PRC" vibe The other cousin looks probably only passable in SE China Hey btw can you unquote or remove the links to the pic please?
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 10, 2023 5:12:37 GMT
I think they pass best in Fujian and Taiwan, can also pass in Jiangxi and Hunan and the eastern parts of Guangdong (Teochew and Hakka), but can't really pass in Western GD and GX. For Hainan they could only pass as Hainan Min but not as Hainan Hlai or Gelong. Not an expert on Hainan but I've known a few Hlai and Gelong individuals over the years and they look rather SE Asian, there was one Gelong or Cun girl that I had known before (but had since lost contact) that looked straightly Thai/Khmer and you probably wouldn't even consider her as Chinese if you see her. I think you mostly only have experience with HKers or PRC residents from Guangzhou and Shenzhen, but those are metropolitan areas with a lot of migrants from other areas (especially from Fujian, Hunan, Jiangxi, etc.) and cannot represent the most authentic Cantonese or Lingnan look. The Cantonese heritage speakers I know IRL aren't from cosmopolitan backgrounds... lol. Taking another look at the photos, I don't think his siblings look particularly Japanese... at all. I actually think him and his sibings' lower passability in the Pearl River Delta is from their Siamese-influenced features, since the Siamese influence is slightly different from the Daic-like influence among Guangfu Yue speakers. Most oversea Cantonese speakers are from Hong Kong and Guangzhou, which are cosmopolitan, and the remaining ones are from Taishan. Comparatively few are from places like Maoming, Zhaoqing, Yunfu in Western GD and from Yulin, Qinzhou, and Wuzhou in GX. So it's impossible that you have a better knowledge of Cantonese look than me. I have quite a few acquaintances from those regions (met through various Chinese online apps) and they do look somewhat different from cosmopolitan Cantonese, being more overtly southern looking and more similar to Annamid or Indosinid. I agree they don't look Japanese, I mean if you only take out the eye region they might pass but combined with overall facial features they don't pass. And I don't think their lower passability in western GD and GX is due to Siamese influence but more likely due to Min or Hokkien influence, his siblings look very Fujian or Taiwan like and don't have that Canto vibe, with the eye region being their most distinctive feature from the Cantos.
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 10, 2023 11:36:42 GMT
The Cantonese heritage speakers I know IRL aren't from cosmopolitan backgrounds... lol. Taking another look at the photos, I don't think his siblings look particularly Japanese... at all. I actually think him and his sibings' lower passability in the Pearl River Delta is from their Siamese-influenced features, since the Siamese influence is slightly different from the Daic-like influence among Guangfu Yue speakers. Most oversea Cantonese speakers are from Hong Kong and Guangzhou, which are cosmopolitan, and the remaining ones are from Taishan. Comparatively few are from places like Maoming, Zhaoqing, Yunfu in Western GD and from Yulin, Qinzhou, and Wuzhou in GX. So it's impossible that you have a better knowledge of Cantonese look than me. I have quite a few acquaintances from those regions (met through various Chinese online apps) and they do look somewhat different from cosmopolitan Cantonese, being more overtly southern looking and more similar to Annamid or Indosinid. I agree they don't look Japanese, I mean if you only take out the eye region they might pass but combined with overall facial features they don't pass. And I don't think their lower passability in western GD and GX is due to Siamese influence but more likely due to Min or Hokkien influence, his siblings look very Fujian or Taiwan like and don't have that Canto vibe, with the eye region being their most distinctive feature from the Cantos. Actually the ones who people think can look Japanese are my other cousins that I posted above. Also I think the Siamese influence is much lesser than what I used to think given how most of my maternal side (my dad's side is 100% Chinese) still look very Southern Chinese despite being in Siam and assimilated longer than my paternal side.
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Post by nara on Jan 10, 2023 22:04:26 GMT
Thanks for asking, I'm quite good. The last 2-3 years have also been quite busy for me. To answer your first question, there might be some stigma for expressing or voicing a preference for Northern Chinese women, but such stigma is definitely much much smaller or much less important when comparing to the stigma associated with preference for FSC and SE Asian women. I've been called various names on Chinese discussion boards from monkey to dwarf to negrito, but I couldn't care less about them. I won't change my preference just because of some silly nicknames. Can't really comment on how popular K-Pop has become since I'm not really into K-Pop. But one thing I can comment is that compared to Korea and Japan China definitely has the potential to export its cultures to the world as well since the cultures languages and peoples in China are very diverse. However under the extreme censorship the only stuff that is guaranteed to pass censorship are those anti-Japanese dramas set in the WW2 era or those dramas about the Chinese revolutions, which no one in the world likes to watch apart from some old Chinese folks of my grandparents' generation. It's good to know that publicly shaming students has been outlawed in Korea, I wish it could be outlawed in China as well, but I'm not really opportunistic about it. The video that I showed you was filmed on Dec 31st 2021 so still quite recent and the two teachers who publicly shamed the young girl did not get the punishment they deserved I heard that they were only told to temporarily quit their job, not sure if they ever came back to the school. Sometime ago uisashi has posted a few video links about some soldiers in northern rural Shanxi and I think they have a rather significant overlap with Koreans. Would you mind checking the videos and share your thoughts on the matter please? Thanks. v.douyin.com/MuVDR22/ v.douyin.com/MuV79A9/ v.douyin.com/MuVCgAn/ Thanks, MNOPS. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree China has an enormous potential to curry a significant cult following with its cultural exports but is currently being reined in by very stringent regulations. I do think that Chinese people are naturally very creative and expressive people, and quite poetic. I'm a big fan of chengyu, for instance. There's a lot of wisdom and simplicity found in classical Chinese that is not easily replicated elsewhere -- and to some extent, you can see the same philosophy being molded into the new Gen-z medium of TikTok. Some of my favorite Kpop covers are from these various regions in China, by the way - and I think they are at times better than the OG artists. Beijing Shijiazhuang Shanghai Hangzhou Shantou Chengdu Guangzhou Liuzhou I will send you a separate reply with respect to those three videos.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 10, 2023 23:46:55 GMT
Thanks for asking, I'm quite good. The last 2-3 years have also been quite busy for me. To answer your first question, there might be some stigma for expressing or voicing a preference for Northern Chinese women, but such stigma is definitely much much smaller or much less important when comparing to the stigma associated with preference for FSC and SE Asian women. I've been called various names on Chinese discussion boards from monkey to dwarf to negrito, but I couldn't care less about them. I won't change my preference just because of some silly nicknames. Can't really comment on how popular K-Pop has become since I'm not really into K-Pop. But one thing I can comment is that compared to Korea and Japan China definitely has the potential to export its cultures to the world as well since the cultures languages and peoples in China are very diverse. However under the extreme censorship the only stuff that is guaranteed to pass censorship are those anti-Japanese dramas set in the WW2 era or those dramas about the Chinese revolutions, which no one in the world likes to watch apart from some old Chinese folks of my grandparents' generation. It's good to know that publicly shaming students has been outlawed in Korea, I wish it could be outlawed in China as well, but I'm not really opportunistic about it. The video that I showed you was filmed on Dec 31st 2021 so still quite recent and the two teachers who publicly shamed the young girl did not get the punishment they deserved I heard that they were only told to temporarily quit their job, not sure if they ever came back to the school. Sometime ago uisashi has posted a few video links about some soldiers in northern rural Shanxi and I think they have a rather significant overlap with Koreans. Would you mind checking the videos and share your thoughts on the matter please? Thanks. v.douyin.com/MuVDR22/ v.douyin.com/MuV79A9/ v.douyin.com/MuVCgAn/ Thanks, MNOPS. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree China has an enormous potential to curry a significant cult following with its cultural exports but is currently being reined in by very stringent regulations. I do think that Chinese people are naturally very creative and expressive people, and quite poetic. I'm a big fan of chengyu, for instance. There's a lot of wisdom and simplicity found in classical Chinese that is not easily replicated elsewhere -- and to some extent, you can see the same philosophy being molded into the new Gen-z medium of TikTok. Some of my favorite Kpop covers are from these various regions in China, by the way - and I think they are at times better than the OG artists. Beijing Shijiazhuang Shanghai Hangzhou Shantou Chengdu Guangzhou Liuzhou I will send you a separate reply with respect to those three videos. Thanks for sharing though but as I mentioned earlier I'm a young man (not that young actually turning 31 this year) with an old soul and I'm not that into K-Pop, I'm much more into ethnic minority songs and folk songs, particularly those from Southern China. I've also been self-learning Zhuang and Dai languages. I'd recommend the Dai (or Tai Lue) Chinese singer Ai Han Jian, I love listening to a lot of his songs. He's a very talented singer, composer, and songwriter, however due to linguistic and cultural barriers not many people outside of China (or even inside China but from different provinces) know about him and his works. Here's one of his songs about Chiang Mai and the ancient Lanna kingdom from about 20 years ago, I really love the rhythm of this song, I feel purified after listening to it and I hope you'd feel the same as well. Recently I've been listening to this song every night before going to sleep. Without further ado, please enjoy the song Here's my favorite Zhuang song on Youtube, not sure who's the singer or the composer but it just feels so soothing. TBH I don't really like the mass industrialized songs (like K-Pop or J-Pop for instance), before those kinds of genres "invaded" China, we actually had a lot of talented native and ethnic composers and singers, but after the dominance of K and J Pops in China, they have mostly faded away from the picture, which is a sad thing. That's why I only like listening to old Chinese songs from around 2 decades ago, not really the new songs.
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jan 13, 2023 20:35:08 GMT
There're quite a lot of people from Hunan and Jiangxi that have similarly robust features, I think his sister looks like a Jiangxi Mandarin teacher from Youtube (forgot her channel name though maybe you can search for it). I really don't see the resemblance with Chinese with Jessie, unless you're referring to someone else.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 14, 2023 0:20:41 GMT
There're quite a lot of people from Hunan and Jiangxi that have similarly robust features, I think his sister looks like a Jiangxi Mandarin teacher from Youtube (forgot her channel name though maybe you can search for it). I really don't see the resemblance with Chinese with Jessie, unless you're referring to someone else. I was indeed referring to someone else, and I found her channel. The name of her channel is Mandarin Corner, here's the link: www.youtube.com/@mandarincorner2The owner of the channel is also from Jiangxi, and I can see similarities between her and shirvanshah's sister. I think such robust Mittelsinid features are most typically found on some Fujian, Jiangxi, and Hunan individuals, and not really found on Cantonese. If a cosmopolitan Cantonese happens to have such features, then chances are high that he or she has ancestries from those regions. The most typical Cantonese appearance, imho, are best represented by these 3 individuals: Derek Kok, Hong Kong actor with origin from Guangzhou, born 1964 Feng Junyan, former Chinese soccer player from Guangzhou, born 1984 Peng Weiguo, former Chinese soccer player from Guangzhou, born 1971 I deliberately chose men over women because I think there's a lower chance for men getting plastic surgery or putting on heavy make-up. And all three are from Guangzhou, which is a cosmopolitan city today. But when they were born Guangzhou was far less cosmopolitan than it is now. It's not really about eye size, for instance Peng Weiguo doesn't have large eyes, but his eyes still give me a different impression from shirvanshah's relatives or from a similarly small-eyed Northern Chinese individual. I think it's more due to the fact that their eyebrows are set very close to their eyes, thus giving people a deep-set impression more akin to West Eurasians or Africans. And also I'm not sure why some people here consider Cantonese to be rather wide-faced with high cheekbones, those features are definitely not common among Cantonese. I think Cantonese typically have a rather slender and small face (by Chinese standards), with some slight cheek protrusions in the midface area. I remember uisashi once described such feature as "lower cheekbones" or "lower-set cheekbones". Overall I think Cantonese are a quite good-looking people that are different from not only Northern Chinese but also from other Southern Chinese groups like Hokkien, Jiangxi, Hunan, etc. Their high percentages of Tai-Kradai genome are what set them apart from the rest and make them looking more SE Asian. It's unfortunate that such typical Canto appearances are harder and harder to come by in the Pearl Delta metropolitan region these days due to admixtures with other Sinitic groups.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 14, 2023 1:42:22 GMT
There're quite a lot of people from Hunan and Jiangxi that have similarly robust features, I think his sister looks like a Jiangxi Mandarin teacher from Youtube (forgot her channel name though maybe you can search for it). I really don't see the resemblance with Chinese with Jessie, unless you're referring to someone else. I wanna add that although Jessie's resemblance to shirvanshah's sister is perhaps lower than Mandarin Corner, I can still see some resemblances between them particularly the facial contour, and I would consider Jessie to belong to the robust Mittelsinid type as well. Her face appears to be quite a bit wider than the rapper beside her, who is likely taller and heavier than her.
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 14, 2023 3:48:18 GMT
So Zhejiang, Jiangxi, Guangdong? Would the northernmost places they can pass be around Shanghai or southern parts of Jiangsu? Here are the pics of the other cousin's young sister and younger brother. Would they also pass in the same region as my cousin and the two previous relatives I posted? FYI we can't see "closer up pics" on a person's Instagram profile if it's set to private. Also we can't see any photos in your second FB link even when logged in. Yangtze Delta seems like a stretch from what I was able to see but I guess anything's possible. Also can you unquote or remove the links please?
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Post by uisashi on Jan 14, 2023 4:45:32 GMT
What even is a Mittlesinid? I think I've retired the usage of that term tbh. The morph on Humanphenotypes regarding Mittlesinid just looks like they got a bunch of Linkedin Chinese programmers and meshed them together. Regional Jiangsu phenotypes are also not exactly the same as say a Sichuan one.
@mnops I don't really believe in attractiveness anymore. It seems like when people are raised in healthy environments and styled alright, they all look the same range. Cantonese aren't better looking or worse looking than any other human population. It all comes down to subjectivity and perceived attractiveness via beauty standards (some societies have differing standards to others).
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jan 14, 2023 6:18:37 GMT
FYI we can't see "closer up pics" on a person's Instagram profile if it's set to private. Also we can't see any photos in your second FB link even when logged in. Yangtze Delta seems like a stretch from what I was able to see but I guess anything's possible. Also can you unquote or remove the links please? Done, you should probably edit your own posts too.
I really don't see the resemblance with Chinese with Jessie, unless you're referring to someone else. I was indeed referring to someone else, and I found her channel. The name of her channel is Mandarin Corner, here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/@mandarincorner2 The owner of the channel is also from Jiangxi, and I can see similarities between her and shirvanshah's sister. I think such robust Mittelsinid features are most typically found on some Fujian, Jiangxi, and Hunan individuals, and not really found on Cantonese. If a cosmopolitan Cantonese happens to have such features, then chances are high that he or she has ancestries from those regions. Mandarin Corner looks "stereotypically Chinese" in ways that shirvanshah's sister does not. She has this "pan-southern China" pheno of relatively wide-set and not-small eyes that are also relatively "long" and tapered. Could be an "Ancient Sinitic" morph that combined with the She-like ancestry present among Han from the general Jiangxi/Fujian/eastern Guangdong region to produce that regional pheno. shirvanshah's sister has too much of a SEA vibe in her lower face despite also having very light skin and "closed-set" eyes. The outdoors education woman being interviewed in this video has a more pan-Southern China look face that also more closely resembles the "Sudsinid" morph in how short, wide, and compact the face is. If I had to guess I'd say she's from Guangdong or Fujian but could probably pass in most the other rice-growing provinces too.
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 14, 2023 7:12:43 GMT
Also can you unquote or remove the links please? Done, you should probably edit your own posts too.
I was indeed referring to someone else, and I found her channel. The name of her channel is Mandarin Corner, here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/@mandarincorner2 The owner of the channel is also from Jiangxi, and I can see similarities between her and shirvanshah's sister. I think such robust Mittelsinid features are most typically found on some Fujian, Jiangxi, and Hunan individuals, and not really found on Cantonese. If a cosmopolitan Cantonese happens to have such features, then chances are high that he or she has ancestries from those regions. Mandarin Corner looks "stereotypically Chinese" in ways that shirvanshah's sister does not. She has this "pan-southern China" pheno of relatively wide-set and not-small eyes that are also relatively "long" and tapered. Could be an "Ancient Sinitic" morph that combined with the She-like ancestry present among Han from the general Jiangxi/Fujian/eastern Guangdong region to produce that regional pheno. shirvanshah's sister has too much of a SEA vibe in her lower face despite also having very light skin and "closed-set" eyes. The outdoors education woman being interviewed in this video has a more pan-Southern China look face that also more closely resembles the "Sudsinid" morph in how short, wide, and compact the face is. If I had to guess I'd say she's from Guangdong or Fujian but could probably pass in most the other rice-growing provinces too. How about my younger bro? Does he look more northern-shifted than me and my sister? I wonder if the SEA vibe that you see is pseudo or comes from our Chinese ancestry because I am now thinking that any probable Siamese admix we might have is much less than what I used to think after looking at my maternal side- most who still have Southern Chinese looks. Want to do a 23andme when I go to the US.
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Post by uisashi on Jan 14, 2023 7:46:27 GMT
shirvanshah "Northern" or "Southern" are vague terms in the context of Asia, as there is no strict criteria dictating which features belong to which direction. Some Mongolians look extremely Hunanese for example. I think you and your siblings just look like what you would typically expect given your admixtures. I've talked about Mittlesinid above, now I will cover the Nordsinid and the Sudsinid morphs. 1. humanphenotypes.net/Chukiangid.html The Sudsinid morph to be honest, does look distinct Cantonese, albeit not the most "conventionally attractive" drawn version. Cantonese people range in looks and the Chukiangid is definitely one portion of what some of them look like, but I do agree that the morph isn't very appealing (Irl Cantonese people with similar features typically have better harmony than the morph). 2. humanphenotypes.net/Huanghoid.html Likewise, the Huanghoid morph does look "northern Chinese", but that specific phenotype is regionally biased towards Shandong and Dongbei rather than say Hebei or Shanxi. Also, Humanphenotypes pretty much ignore Tibetoburman groups in China, which are a huge influence on what the local Han look like.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 14, 2023 15:37:40 GMT
Also can you unquote or remove the links please? Done, you should probably edit your own posts too.
I was indeed referring to someone else, and I found her channel. The name of her channel is Mandarin Corner, here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/@mandarincorner2 The owner of the channel is also from Jiangxi, and I can see similarities between her and shirvanshah's sister. I think such robust Mittelsinid features are most typically found on some Fujian, Jiangxi, and Hunan individuals, and not really found on Cantonese. If a cosmopolitan Cantonese happens to have such features, then chances are high that he or she has ancestries from those regions. Mandarin Corner looks "stereotypically Chinese" in ways that shirvanshah's sister does not. She has this "pan-southern China" pheno of relatively wide-set and not-small eyes that are also relatively "long" and tapered. Could be an "Ancient Sinitic" morph that combined with the She-like ancestry present among Han from the general Jiangxi/Fujian/eastern Guangdong region to produce that regional pheno. shirvanshah's sister has too much of a SEA vibe in her lower face despite also having very light skin and "closed-set" eyes. The outdoors education woman being interviewed in this video has a more pan-Southern China look face that also more closely resembles the "Sudsinid" morph in how short, wide, and compact the face is. If I had to guess I'd say she's from Guangdong or Fujian but could probably pass in most the other rice-growing provinces too. It's true that Mandarin Corner looks stereotypically Chinese, but I wouldn't consider her look to be pan Southern Chinese but rather pan Chinese. I think she can pass in Northern China as well. However I don't think she looks typical in Guangdong not even Eastern Guangdong. In Southern China this type of heavily (robust) Mittelsinid look is mostly associated with people from Jiangxi and Hunan, and also Fujianese to a lesser extent. And for shirvanshah's sister, if you take Mandarin Corner's type and add a slight Siamese vibe to the lower face, you'll get her sister's type. I still think they have a rather big overlap especially pertaining to the eye region and the general facial contour. It's strange that you consider the interviewed woman in the video to be a pan-Southern Chinese type similar to Mandarin Corner, despite the two clearly have a different phenotype. The woman being interviewed clearly has a smaller and more compact face with lower cheekbones than Mandarin Corner, and their eye region is also different, with the interviewed woman having larger and less slantier eyes. And this also proves that your Mandarin Chinese level is quite low, cause the woman mentioned in the beginning that she's from Guangxi, more specifically from the Yangshuo county in Guilin. Like I said, I wouldn't consider her type to be pan-Southern Chinese, but rather a more regional specific type typical to the western part of Lingnan. Apart from maybe neighboring Guangdong, Guizhou, Yunnan, and the southwestern part of Hunan bordering Guangxi, I don't think she can easily pass in other regions of China. People who are not familiar with Southern Chinese phenotypes would often consider Southern China south of the Yangtse as a unified whole but the truth is much more complicated than that. There're some quite significant differences in terms of culture, language, and appearance among different Southern Chinese provinces, and in the case of Guangdong such differences exist even among the three ethnolinguistic groups (Cantonese, Hakka, and Teochew) living in the same province. And just like Northern China, there exists a contrast between Eastern Southern China and Western Southern China.
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