I really don't think they look Japanese, perhaps you need to search for some group photos of Japanese high school students or Japanese politicians instead of focusing on the few celebrities of possibly mixed heritage like Ken Hirai or Hiroshi Abe.

I've found some group photos of Japanese students online and I think they look much much more Korean or Northern Chinese like instead of Atayal like.

Even the most southern-shifted Japanese can't reach the level of southern-ness of the Taiwanese aboriginal singer Abao or the Atayal man shown above, the most-southern shifted Japanese are around Jiangsu or Shanghai-ish IMHO. And the vast majority look a lot of more northern than that, similar to certain types of Koreans.

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Wow I learn a lot from you guys! Thanks so much! I learned a lot as a Sino-Thai of Hainanese and Teochew descent who have very limited experiences with mainland Chinese people.

Just want to ask is the phenotype of the fourth girl and sixth girl earlier posted more common in Vietnam than most of China?:

Please don't quote btw. Sorry for posting the facebook/insta links but I feel you can see overall of what they look like than just one or two pictures.

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Btw where in China can my cousin and his younger brother pass the easiest? My relatives say they look Japanese.

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I don't think those girls look northern Chinese at all, but similar to some Fujian + Tungid.

I won't derail this thread with more Japanese comments so I probs won't make too many statements after this.

I sort of agree with you now that they probably don't look that Northern Chinese (though some of them can still pass in Northern China), but they don't look Austronesian, Tai-Kradai, or Austroasiatic either, since they lack that SEA-influenced look.

The most suitable way to describe the majority of Japanese is probably Eastern Chinese + Tungid, and their best overlap is likely with certain Korean types.

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Other than the heavy drinking culture, what other elements do you actually perceive to be similar between N.Chinese and Korean? The two cultures are actually quite different with respect to how they orient themselves vis a vis another, sentiments about age- or status-based hierarchies, guided by different linguistic cues, ethos around unity, attitudes regarding public spaces and timeliness, and even down to mundane mannerisms and behaviors. The sentiment of nunchi (i.e., the inner pressure to fit/blend seamlessly into the background) really governs the majority of the Korean behaviors, which I never really see in Chinese groups, whom I perceive to be less "stiff", and probably more forgiving in some aspects. People shush you in Korea if you don't wait in line properly or quiet your noises on the metro, for instance. There are many hidden rules to be followed - the only exception is when someone's drunk, but even there the environment is not entirely accepting of non-normative behaviors.

And in terms of safety indexes, Korea is not all that violent. It regularly fares as among the safest, barring the threat of the DMZ... not sure if you can link the drinking to violence entirely to represent the core essence of Korean culture. It is true, however, that many Koreans are effectively functional alcoholics, which is a problem.