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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 1, 2023 6:43:29 GMT
1) I perceive as south-central China passing. I think the majority of Hmong can pass in Hunan/Hubei, Sichuan/Chongqing, etc. There are also some minority Henanese who can resemble her even 2) Has a basal face structure that is quite Tibeto-Burman (there is a certain nose/chin shape) but with some inland SEA influence and definitely passes in Sichuan as well as maybe even parts of Gansu/Shaanxi. Her makeup makes her look more Thai national though In some clips from a further distance/less filter distortion her facial structure reminds me a bit of this Tibetan singer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcPgpuBB28Y). Tibeto-burman women seem to often have this lean jaw + forward pointing chin 3) Probably Lingnan passing, but I can't tell beyond that because her makeup/styling/vibe are so SEA shifted In general I think that people sometimes underestimate how far north "Hmong" and certain SEA looks (especially SEA + Tibeto-Burman -> aren't "Sinitics" "northern Chinese" etc. at their base mostly Tibeto-Burman + various SEA?) can be found in China. Makeup/vibe throws things a bit off at times but without them + with equalized camera/video style I suspect that a greater amount would be seen as passing. This entire Akha family, if they changed their styling, imo could pass in northwest China/Shanxi with ease. Tibeto-Burman + Hmong/continental SEA blend faces are very common there shirvanshah btw can this Henanese lawyer pass in Thailand at all? He's from Minquan county in northern Henan/near Shandong chinachange.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/e8aeb8e5bf97e6b0b8.jpgupload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Xu_Zhiyong.JPG/1200px-Xu_Zhiyong.JPG1. Some Henanese can look southern-shifted like her? Where's the northernmost in China she can pass? 2. Her youtube where you can see clearer pics when talking:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsv2yFepx615sgXvf_TQXYg Can you point out where you see the inland SEA influence? And can she pass among Sichuanese and Northwest Han or only among Tibeto-Burman minorities such as Qiang, Naxi, Yi, Tibetan? It kinda make sense though as genetically speaking, Akha are mostly Tibeto-Burman with substantial Austroasiatic and maybe even minor Tai-Kadai admixture. . 3. Actually she looks more northern-shifted than this in non-makeup pics. For some reason, I can't find her images anymore. 4. How about this other Akha girl? Where in China and what ethnicities can she pass as?: www.youtube.com/@rainbowakha4464/videosInteresting. Would you say Tibeto-Burman and Hmong ethnic minorities in SE Asia are more northern-shifted looking that Kinh Vietnamese who also have substantial Sinitic-related admixture? Yes he can pass mainly as an ethnic Sino/Chinese-Thai or maybe among some hill tribes such as Hmong in the North.
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Post by throway2 on Jan 1, 2023 7:12:18 GMT
1. Some Henanese can look southern-shifted like her? Where's the northernmost in China she can pass? 2. Can you point out where you see the inland SEA influence? And can she pass among Sichuanese and Northwest Han or only among Tibeto-Burman minorities such as Qiang, Naxi, Yi, Tibetan? It kinda make sense though as genetically speaking, Akha are mostly Tibeto-Burman with substantial Austroasiatic and maybe even minor Tai-Kadai admixture. . 3. Actually she looks more northern-shifted than this in non-makeup pics. For some reason, I can't find her images anymore. 4. How about this other Akha girl? Where in China and what ethnicities can she pass as?: www.youtube.com/@rainbowakha4464/videosInteresting. Would you say Tibeto-Burman and Hmong ethnic minorities in SE Asia are more northern-shifted looking that Kinh Vietnamese who also have substantial Sinitic-related admixture? Yes he can pass mainly as an ethnic Sino/Chinese-Thai or maybe among some hill tribes such as Hmong in the North. 1) Probably Henan area. She's a bit similar in pheno range to girl on right here (http://img2.chinadaily.com.cn/images/201901/02/5c2c45e1a310d9126fdc854f.jpeg)? Who is from Shangqiu Henan. I think many Zhongyuan Han look sort of Hmong 2) Her eyes and nose shape have a bit of SEA vibe. But her overall face shape is Tibeto-Burman looking. Yes she can pass, and most Qiang/Naxi/Yi and eastern Tibetans can pass as Sichuanese/NW Han anyways. There are even some with visibly curly hair like plateau/southern Tibetans. 4) This other Akha girl's face is more southern-shifted (something about cheekbones and nose shape), but I think she can still be found in Sichuan and Yunnan, Lingnan, etc.
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 1, 2023 7:42:44 GMT
1. Some Henanese can look southern-shifted like her? Where's the northernmost in China she can pass? 2. Can you point out where you see the inland SEA influence? And can she pass among Sichuanese and Northwest Han or only among Tibeto-Burman minorities such as Qiang, Naxi, Yi, Tibetan? It kinda make sense though as genetically speaking, Akha are mostly Tibeto-Burman with substantial Austroasiatic and maybe even minor Tai-Kadai admixture. . 3. Actually she looks more northern-shifted than this in non-makeup pics. For some reason, I can't find her images anymore. 4. How about this other Akha girl? Where in China and what ethnicities can she pass as?: www.youtube.com/@rainbowakha4464/videosInteresting. Would you say Tibeto-Burman and Hmong ethnic minorities in SE Asia are more northern-shifted looking that Kinh Vietnamese who also have substantial Sinitic-related admixture? Yes he can pass mainly as an ethnic Sino/Chinese-Thai or maybe among some hill tribes such as Hmong in the North. 1) Probably Henan area. She's a bit similar in pheno range to girl on right here (http://img2.chinadaily.com.cn/images/201901/02/5c2c45e1a310d9126fdc854f.jpeg)? Who is from Shangqiu Henan. I think many Zhongyuan Han look sort of Hmong 2) Her eyes and nose shape have a bit of SEA vibe. But her overall face shape is Tibeto-Burman looking. Yes she can pass, and most Qiang/Naxi/Yi and eastern Tibetans can pass as Sichuanese/NW Han anyways. There are even some with visibly curly hair like plateau/southern Tibetans. 4) This other Akha girl's face is more southern-shifted (something about cheekbones and nose shape), but I think she can still be found in Sichuan and Yunnan, Lingnan, etc. 1. Can see the similarities. That's odd considering how Zhongyuan Han are genetically much more northern than Hmong, who seem genetically to be in the Southern Chinese cluster. 2. Northernmost and westernmost she can pass are Shaanxi, Gansu, Qinghai? Can she pass among Hui or they look different? Eastern Tibetans look different from other Tibetan ethnic groups? 4) Right. But isn't her eyelids smaller than the other Akha lady? 5) Would you say Tibeto-Burman and Hmong-Mien ethnic minorities in SE Asia are more northern-shifted phenotypically than Northern Vietnamese Kinh who have substantial Sinitic-related affinity?
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 1, 2023 7:57:47 GMT
Among SE Asians, the general pattern is that Tibeto-Burman groups and Hmong-Mien groups tend to have more overlaps with East Asians especially Sinitic people, whereas Austronesian, Austroasiatic, and Tai-Kradai peoples tend to exhibit more overt SE Asian features and thus look more different from East Asians. In your opinion, do Tibeto-Burmans and Hmong Miens look more northern-shifted than the Northern Vietnamese Kinh (who are mostly Tai-Kadai genetically) who have significant Sinitic/Yellow River-related ancestry? Completely agreed but don't many Tai/Kra-Dais such as Zhuang, Gelao, Maonan, Dai, etc. also have Sinitic-related input that can make them overlap with East Asians as well?
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jan 1, 2023 8:03:15 GMT
shirvanshah none of them would look typical anywhere IMO, but 2 can probably pass farther north (Sichuan/Chongqing ish) while the other two can probably only pass in Lingnan if at all Can you point out which traits of them make them stand out or not look typical? Disclaimer: I haven't been anywhere in China for over 10 years by the time you will have read this, and within China I've never been anywhere south of the Anhui-Jiangxi-Hubei tripoint (which I'm pretty sure is south of Shanghai). My phenotype knowledge of China and "bulk Han" is heavily based on Asian Boss and other YouTube videos and the people I see in the US (or on dating apps). My phenotype knowledge of Mainland SE Asia is mostly based on Overseas Vietnamese (very common where I grew up), Overseas Cambodians, and the fewer ethnic Lao + Thai nationals + members of other "hill tribe" groups I've met in person. 1. {Hmong Tiktoker} Facial structure is too neotenous, eyes are too big to comfortably pass as Han within China. As throway said this could be a makeup + filters issue 2. {Ahka Tiktoker} She passes further north IMO because she has a Tibeto-Burman look that's shared with "bulk Han" which most Mainland SE Asians generally don't have unless they're part of a Tibeto-Burman speaking group and not just part-ethnic Chinese. 3. {Facebook profile} Can only see two photos of her, but her facial structure is very distinctly "South Mongoloid". Facial fat seems rather distinctly "Central Mainland SEA (Thailand/Laos/Cambodia)- I don't really see this look among Vietnamese, for example. Can't see your #4 unless I'm open the link while logged in, but 5 and 6 give me Chinese Indonesian-like vibes. Don't think either could comfortably pass in China, although 6 has more of a "Taiwanese" (and thus Chinese-passing) look than 5 with her eye shape and nose. When I say Chinese Malaysians/Indonesians look different from China/Taiwan/HK Chinese, I mean that I see people who resemble your 5 and 6 whose phenos don't really exist in Greater China.
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Post by throway2 on Jan 1, 2023 8:45:00 GMT
Can see the similarities. That's odd considering how Zhongyuan Han are genetically much more northern than Hmong, who seem genetically to be in the Southern Chinese cluster. 2. Northernmost and westernmost she can pass are Shaanxi, Gansu, Qinghai? Can she pass among Hui or they look different? Eastern Tibetans look different from other Tibetan ethnic groups? 4) Right. But isn't her eyelids smaller than the other Akha lady? 5) Would you say Tibeto-Burman and Hmong-Mien ethnic minorities in SE Asia are more northern-shifted phenotypically than Northern Vietnamese Kinh who have substantial Sinitic-related affinity? 1) My theory is that Zhongyuan Han inherently have an input that is similar to Hmong. The Hmong-Miao homeland (Hunan/Hubei) is very close to Zhongyuan and the northern end of it has been part of “Sinitic” territory since Shang/Zhou 2) Hui often look similar to local Han (so yes), though some are visibly central asian looking. IMO Tibetans have a range between something that looks indistinguishable from northern Han/Qiang to something that looks visibly Paniya-like and the northern Han/Qiang looking ones are more common in eastern Tibet (eg. Amdo) 4) Eyelids being small doesn’t make you automatically more northern looking overall 5) Well, Han Chinese kind of ARE lowland Tibeto-Burmans… so yes. Original Han Chinese imo were created by some Tibetoburman (likely eastern tibetan like) population mixing with Hmong-Mien or something similar. The “bulk” component of Han is shared with the “bulk” component of Tibetoburmans, in other words. Even Koreans who have direct northern Chinese admix imo look less “Sinitic” overall than groups like Qiang/Naxi
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 1, 2023 9:46:00 GMT
Can see the similarities. That's odd considering how Zhongyuan Han are genetically much more northern than Hmong, who seem genetically to be in the Southern Chinese cluster. 2. Northernmost and westernmost she can pass are Shaanxi, Gansu, Qinghai? Can she pass among Hui or they look different? Eastern Tibetans look different from other Tibetan ethnic groups? 4) Right. But isn't her eyelids smaller than the other Akha lady? 5) Would you say Tibeto-Burman and Hmong-Mien ethnic minorities in SE Asia are more northern-shifted phenotypically than Northern Vietnamese Kinh who have substantial Sinitic-related affinity? 1) My theory is that Zhongyuan Han inherently have an input that is similar to Hmong. The Hmong-Miao homeland (Hunan/Hubei) is very close to Zhongyuan and the northern end of it has been part of “Sinitic” territory since Shang/Zhou 2) Hui often look similar to local Han (so yes), though some are visibly central asian looking. IMO Tibetans have a range between something that looks indistinguishable from northern Han/Qiang to something that looks visibly Paniya-like and the northern Han/Qiang looking ones are more common in eastern Tibet (eg. Amdo) 4) Eyelids being small doesn’t make you automatically more northern looking overall 5) Well, Han Chinese kind of ARE lowland Tibeto-Burmans… so yes. Original Han Chinese imo were created by some Tibetoburman (likely eastern tibetan like) population mixing with Hmong-Mien or something similar. The “bulk” component of Han is shared with the “bulk” component of Tibetoburmans, in other words. Even Koreans who have direct northern Chinese admix imo look less “Sinitic” overall than groups like Qiang/Naxi 1) How much Hmong-like input do Zhongyuan Han have? Is the She of Fujian also Hmong/Miao? But why are the Hmong/Miao genetically pretty southern-shifted if they lived very close to Zhongyuan? The Miao G25 results seem to be as southern as the Chongqing, Fujian, Sichuan Han while the Hmong from Thailand G25 seem to be very significantly Dai admixed and is more southern than Fujian but slightly north of Han_Guangdong samples. Would Ancient Sinitics such as Xia, Shang, Zhou seem to be closest genetically to modern day Zhongyuan Han ? 2) I C. Does Naxi, Yi look more like Qiang/northern Han and Eastern Tibetans while Tibeto-Burman Northeast Indians, Nepalis such as Sherpa, Tamang, Gurung, Sikkimese, Bhutanese look more like the Paniya-like Tibetans? 4) True that. 5) Make sense. Correct me if I'm wrong but Northern Han seem genetically much closer to Koreans, Japanese than to Tibetans though. Is it me or South-Central Chinese look more like Hmong-Mien while Northern Han gives more Korean, Mongolian look?
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Post by throway2 on Jan 1, 2023 15:43:00 GMT
1) How much Hmong-like input do Zhongyuan Han have? Is the She of Fujian also Hmong/Miao? But why are the Hmong/Miao genetically pretty southern-shifted if they lived very close to Zhongyuan? The Miao G25 results seem to be as southern as the Chongqing, Fujian, Sichuan Han while the Hmong from Thailand G25 seem to be very significantly Dai admixed and is more southern than Fujian but slightly north of Han_Guangdong samples. Would Ancient Sinitics such as Xia, Shang, Zhou seem to be closest genetically to modern day Zhongyuan Han ? 2) I C. Does Naxi, Yi look more like Qiang/northern Han and Eastern Tibetans while Tibeto-Burman Northeast Indians, Nepalis such as Sherpa, Tamang, Gurung, Sikkimese, Bhutanese look more like the Paniya-like Tibetans? 4) True that. 5) Make sense. Correct me if I'm wrong but Northern Han seem genetically much closer to Koreans, Japanese than to Tibetans though. Is it me or South-Central Chinese look more like Hmong-Mien while Northern Han gives more Korean, Mongolian look? 1) This is hard ish to answer atm, but they would have started out a bit more “northern” and I don’t think zhongyuan was genetically separate at all from southeast asians. I feel like thinking of things in “northern” vs “southern” as discrete components is flawed since populations all live in a spectrum. I interacted with a northeast Indian guy online who found northern Chinese to look “SEA” compared to his own group (Naga) 2) I think so 5) non SEA Tibeto-Burmans are dragged away from the “bulk east asian” cluster in terms of “distance” by virtue of mostly having 1) little SEA and 2) a bit of Paniya-like component which is weighted heavily. So they will appear further away Hmm… I agree with the south-central Chinese part but honestly the more I look at Koreans and Mongolians vs. northern Han the more I don’t really see it. Korean-Americans for instance I can tell from northern Chinese ABCs usually immediately; they look more like some Japanese and occasionally Tungusics mostly. And in fact Koreans might sometimes pass better as coastline south-central Han than as say Henan or Shanxi Han
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 1, 2023 17:21:50 GMT
Among SE Asians, the general pattern is that Tibeto-Burman groups and Hmong-Mien groups tend to have more overlaps with East Asians especially Sinitic people, whereas Austronesian, Austroasiatic, and Tai-Kradai peoples tend to exhibit more overt SE Asian features and thus look more different from East Asians. Austronesians overlap with Japanese, Koreans, and coastal Han a lot. You've probably never seen a real Austronesian person then. They look very distinct from any group of East Asians except those in the extreme south such as Guangxi or southern Yunnan. Here's a video of a collaboration song between Taiwanese aboriginal singer Abao (the woman in the video) and Taiwanese Hokkien singer DJ Didilong (the guy in the video). Although it's probably not very suitable to compare a woman to a man, still I find the contrast in their phenotype rather striking. The Hokkien singer can easily pass in Northern East Asia such as Shandong or Korea, whereas the aboriginal singer Abao cannot pass anywhere further north than Lingnan and Yungui.
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jan 1, 2023 17:39:09 GMT
Austronesians overlap with Japanese, Koreans, and coastal Han a lot. You've probably never seen a real Austronesian person then. They look very distinct from any group of East Asians except those in the extreme south such as Guangxi or southern Yunnan. Here's a video of a collaboration song between Taiwanese aboriginal singer Abao (the woman in the video) and Taiwanese Hokkien singer DJ Didilong (the guy in the video). Although it's probably not very suitable to compare a woman to a man, still I find the contrast in their phenotype rather striking. The Hokkien singer can easily pass in Northern East Asia such as Shandong or Korea, whereas the aboriginal singer Abao cannot pass anywhere further north than Lingnan and Yungui. Abao doesn’t pass anywhere in China IMO, she just looks Filipina to me. I don’t think DJ Didilong really passes in Shandong or Korea either (too coastal southern Han/Viet looking) but he passes there better than Abao passes in say Guangdong. I otherwise agree that Fillpinos don’t overlap particularly well with Japanese and Koreans even if the overlap is greater with southern coastal Han.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 1, 2023 17:39:21 GMT
1) How much Hmong-like input do Zhongyuan Han have? Is the She of Fujian also Hmong/Miao? But why are the Hmong/Miao genetically pretty southern-shifted if they lived very close to Zhongyuan? The Miao G25 results seem to be as southern as the Chongqing, Fujian, Sichuan Han while the Hmong from Thailand G25 seem to be very significantly Dai admixed and is more southern than Fujian but slightly north of Han_Guangdong samples. Would Ancient Sinitics such as Xia, Shang, Zhou seem to be closest genetically to modern day Zhongyuan Han ? 2) I C. Does Naxi, Yi look more like Qiang/northern Han and Eastern Tibetans while Tibeto-Burman Northeast Indians, Nepalis such as Sherpa, Tamang, Gurung, Sikkimese, Bhutanese look more like the Paniya-like Tibetans? 4) True that. 5) Make sense. Correct me if I'm wrong but Northern Han seem genetically much closer to Koreans, Japanese than to Tibetans though. Is it me or South-Central Chinese look more like Hmong-Mien while Northern Han gives more Korean, Mongolian look? 1) This is hard ish to answer atm, but they would have started out a bit more “northern” and I don’t think zhongyuan was genetically separate at all from southeast asians. I feel like thinking of things in “northern” vs “southern” as discrete components is flawed since populations all live in a spectrum. I interacted with a northeast Indian guy online who found northern Chinese to look “SEA” compared to his own group (Naga) 2) I think so 5) non SEA Tibeto-Burmans are dragged away from the “bulk east asian” cluster in terms of “distance” by virtue of mostly having 1) little SEA and 2) a bit of Paniya-like component which is weighted heavily. So they will appear further away Hmm… I agree with the south-central Chinese part but honestly the more I look at Koreans and Mongolians vs. northern Han the more I don’t really see it. Korean-Americans for instance I can tell from northern Chinese ABCs usually immediately; they look more like some Japanese and occasionally Tungusics mostly. And in fact Koreans might sometimes pass better as coastline south-central Han than as say Henan or Shanxi Han 1) While it's true that the Sinitic population largely exists on a cline or a continuum stretching from NE Asia to SE Asia, there's a still a considerable genetic distance separating Zhongyuan Han from actual SE Asians. The closest Sinitic population to SE Asians are the ones from Guangxi. It's perhaps true that Northern Chinese probably look a bit more SE Asian compared to isolated Himalayan Tibeto-Burman tribes who have few to no SE Asian admixtures whatsoever, but compared to Far South Chinese and actual SE Asians, Northern Chinese still appear rather northern-looking. 5) Koreans and Inner Mongolians definitely have a large overlap with Northern Chinese in terms of appearance. And in terms of genetics they are also the closest non-Sinitic population to Northern Chinese, closer in fact than the genetic distance between some South Chinese groups and Northern Chinese.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 1, 2023 17:46:36 GMT
You've probably never seen a real Austronesian person then. They look very distinct from any group of East Asians except those in the extreme south such as Guangxi or southern Yunnan. Here's a video of a collaboration song between Taiwanese aboriginal singer Abao (the woman in the video) and Taiwanese Hokkien singer DJ Didilong (the guy in the video). Although it's probably not very suitable to compare a woman to a man, still I find the contrast in their phenotype rather striking. The Hokkien singer can easily pass in Northern East Asia such as Shandong or Korea, whereas the aboriginal singer Abao cannot pass anywhere further north than Lingnan and Yungui. Abao doesn’t pass anywhere in China IMO, she just looks Filipina to me. I don’t think DJ Didilong really passes in Shandong or Korea either (too coastal southern Han/Viet looking) but he passes there better than Abao passes in say Guangdong. I otherwise agree that Fillpinos don’t overlap particularly well with Japanese and Koreans even if the overlap is greater with southern coastal Han. I'm stretching things a bit. Yes she definitely passes better in the Philippines than anywhere in China I totally agree with that, but if she were to pass in China then Lingnan and Yungui would be the only two plausible choices. There're some Lingnan or Yungui people that can have a somewhat similar phenotype, for instance the Guangxi singer Wei Wei or the Guizhou actress Ning Jing. DJ Didilong can pass in Shandong, Jiangsu, and Korea, I don't think he looks Cantonese or Viet, his height is closer to Northern Chinese judging by the video, and also his cheekbones as well as chin and jaw areas are well-developed and IMO those are also northern features.
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Post by uisashi on Jan 1, 2023 22:42:10 GMT
Taiwanese Aborigines are not all the same. Ones in far south Taiwan like Abao will look different to Atayal like groups living in northern Taiwan mountains. The latter are more Japanese passing.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 2, 2023 0:33:10 GMT
Taiwanese Aborigines are not all the same. Ones in far south Taiwan like Abao will look different to Atayal like groups living in northern Taiwan mountains. The latter are more Japanese passing. Even Atayal people generally look distinct from Northern East Asians like Northern Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese. Atayal man and woman, the man looks very distinct and definitely cannot pass in Northern East Asia, the woman less distinct but still she gives me southeastern Chinese vibes rather than Northern Chinese, Korean, or Japanese vibes. An old photo of Atayal men from 1900
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 2, 2023 1:39:08 GMT
1) How much Hmong-like input do Zhongyuan Han have? Is the She of Fujian also Hmong/Miao? But why are the Hmong/Miao genetically pretty southern-shifted if they lived very close to Zhongyuan? The Miao G25 results seem to be as southern as the Chongqing, Fujian, Sichuan Han while the Hmong from Thailand G25 seem to be very significantly Dai admixed and is more southern than Fujian but slightly north of Han_Guangdong samples. Would Ancient Sinitics such as Xia, Shang, Zhou seem to be closest genetically to modern day Zhongyuan Han ? 2) I C. Does Naxi, Yi look more like Qiang/northern Han and Eastern Tibetans while Tibeto-Burman Northeast Indians, Nepalis such as Sherpa, Tamang, Gurung, Sikkimese, Bhutanese look more like the Paniya-like Tibetans? 4) True that. 5) Make sense. Correct me if I'm wrong but Northern Han seem genetically much closer to Koreans, Japanese than to Tibetans though. Is it me or South-Central Chinese look more like Hmong-Mien while Northern Han gives more Korean, Mongolian look? 1) This is hard ish to answer atm, but they would have started out a bit more “northern” and I don’t think zhongyuan was genetically separate at all from southeast asians. I feel like thinking of things in “northern” vs “southern” as discrete components is flawed since populations all live in a spectrum. I interacted with a northeast Indian guy online who found northern Chinese to look “SEA” compared to his own group (Naga) 2) I think so 5) non SEA Tibeto-Burmans are dragged away from the “bulk east asian” cluster in terms of “distance” by virtue of mostly having 1) little SEA and 2) a bit of Paniya-like component which is weighted heavily. So they will appear further away Hmm… I agree with the south-central Chinese part but honestly the more I look at Koreans and Mongolians vs. northern Han the more I don’t really see it. Korean-Americans for instance I can tell from northern Chinese ABCs usually immediately; they look more like some Japanese and occasionally Tungusics mostly. And in fact Koreans might sometimes pass better as coastline south-central Han than as say Henan or Shanxi Han 1) Thanks. 5) Make sense. South-Central Chinese should be also genetically much closer to Hmong-Mien pops than to non-SEA Tibeto-Burman then. Do you mean Koreans or Northern Chinese ABCs who look more like some Japanese and on occasions, Tungusics? Which Sinitics look the closest to Henan and Shanxi Han then? Also would fourth and sixth Thai girls posted pass better overall in Vietnam than in most of China? I noticed that Kinh Vietnamese are predominantly Kra-Dai genetically despite having some Sinitic/Yellow River and minor Austroasiatic inputs and can overlap significantly with Tai peoples.
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