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Post by nara on Jan 16, 2023 17:14:24 GMT
Thanks for sharing though but as I mentioned earlier I'm a young man (not that young actually turning 31 this year) with an old soul and I'm not that into K-Pop, I'm much more into ethnic minority songs and folk songs, particularly those from Southern China. I've also been self-learning Zhuang and Dai languages. I'd recommend the Dai (or Tai Lue) Chinese singer Ai Han Jian, I love listening to a lot of his songs. He's a very talented singer, composer, and songwriter, however due to linguistic and cultural barriers not many people outside of China (or even inside China but from different provinces) know about him and his works. Here's one of his songs about Chiang Mai and the ancient Lanna kingdom from about 20 years ago, I really love the rhythm of this song, I feel purified after listening to it and I hope you'd feel the same as well. Recently I've been listening to this song every night before going to sleep. Without further ado, please enjoy the song Here's my favorite Zhuang song on Youtube, not sure who's the singer or the composer but it just feels so soothing. TBH I don't really like the mass industrialized songs (like K-Pop or J-Pop for instance), before those kinds of genres "invaded" China, we actually had a lot of talented native and ethnic composers and singers, but after the dominance of K and J Pops in China, they have mostly faded away from the picture, which is a sad thing. That's why I only like listening to old Chinese songs from around 2 decades ago, not really the new songs. These songs sound nice! Thanks for sharing. Yes, quite soothing - I did some journaling in my diary this morning as I listened to these songs. I like the slower, more melancholy songs in C-pop as well - used to be a big fan of the song "Beijing, Beijing" by Feng Wang. I'm sure you've heard of it. But I think it'd be amiss to characterize all of "Kpop" as just mass noisy music either - it's actually a massive industry with various sub-genres. I know I put up some of the more techno-, trap-, or electronic-based ones, but the ones that surprisingly get a lot of plays on Spotfiy (international) are the slower, more intentional R&B- based or ballad-type songs you hear as some background ost to Kdramas, so I think the international palate for Asian music isn't just restricted to "pop".... This song by Car the Garden in the drama Alchemy of Souls is a good example of that (has a very common melody composed in a minor key as seen in more traditional Korean songs, but still with some modern twist). It's Korean's take on the Chinese wuxia but with various twists that actually did quite well internationally. I also think you'll really like this song by Jannabi- "For Lovers Who Hesitate". The beats are light, reminiscent of the 60s and 70s radio music, but the lyrics are quite moving. Or Hyukoh's Tomboy, which is decrying the loss of innocence with age, but also the ability to be more grateful for the small things one used to take for granted.
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Post by nara on Jan 16, 2023 18:26:16 GMT
Thanks for asking, I'm quite good. The last 2-3 years have also been quite busy for me. To answer your first question, there might be some stigma for expressing or voicing a preference for Northern Chinese women, but such stigma is definitely much much smaller or much less important when comparing to the stigma associated with preference for FSC and SE Asian women. I've been called various names on Chinese discussion boards from monkey to dwarf to negrito, but I couldn't care less about them. I won't change my preference just because of some silly nicknames. Can't really comment on how popular K-Pop has become since I'm not really into K-Pop. But one thing I can comment is that compared to Korea and Japan China definitely has the potential to export its cultures to the world as well since the cultures languages and peoples in China are very diverse. However under the extreme censorship the only stuff that is guaranteed to pass censorship are those anti-Japanese dramas set in the WW2 era or those dramas about the Chinese revolutions, which no one in the world likes to watch apart from some old Chinese folks of my grandparents' generation. It's good to know that publicly shaming students has been outlawed in Korea, I wish it could be outlawed in China as well, but I'm not really opportunistic about it. The video that I showed you was filmed on Dec 31st 2021 so still quite recent and the two teachers who publicly shamed the young girl did not get the punishment they deserved I heard that they were only told to temporarily quit their job, not sure if they ever came back to the school. Sometime ago uisashi has posted a few video links about some soldiers in northern rural Shanxi and I think they have a rather significant overlap with Koreans. Would you mind checking the videos and share your thoughts on the matter please? Thanks. v.douyin.com/MuVDR22/ v.douyin.com/MuV79A9/ v.douyin.com/MuVCgAn/ Apologies for my delayed response! But thanks for the link, I've viewed all three. In general, I don't see why a large number of the soldiers should be able to pass/blend individually in Korea. They may even have a better chance in the North, as well. It's mostly on the group level I begin to see some differences. On average, I think limbs are straighter in Nhan with sometimes more flat/gracile faces (that lack cheekbone and/or forehead projection and a narrower midface), and the mouth prog is slightly less. By comparison, the Korean body types tend to be less straight, and more brachy heads, with more projecting forehead/cheekbone areas with wider midfaces, eyes that are rounder with slightly darker irises (due to traces of Jomon-esque influences), with sometimes pseudo-Jomon-esque features, and the headshape is typically narrower and eyebrows more straight. I also think that Koreans sometimes have recombinations of both the far Northern and Southern influences (not southern as in "fsc", but non-Sibrid/tungid influences that are more unique to the Korean peninsula) which may also be less common in Nhan. Here are some illustrations of what I mean. I took these screenshots from various Japanese and Korean documentaries of the Korean military spanning 90s to present: Group photos Phenos that have a more Korean vibe: Phenos that may be shared between Nhan and Koreans:
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Post by nara on Jan 16, 2023 19:16:39 GMT
From Uisashi's videos, This guy looking at the camera I don't find very familiar due to how narrow his face is. That's an example of nhan pheno that doesn't easily pass in Korea.
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Post by nara on Jan 16, 2023 20:25:03 GMT
I only watched a little bit of the first 5-6 minutes of the interview. Didn’t catch where the interviewee said where she’s from, so I’m glad my instincts were correct on her being from thw South China Sea region but not a super Daic-shifted area (Guilin is SW Mandarin speaking so less SEA-shifted genetically than the Yue speaking areas). Still think she could pass in Jiangxi, Guangdong and probably Fujian although not as typical. Mandarin Corner doesn’t look pan-Chinese to me because I don’t think she passes in the north. Maybe she could pass in the northwest but I’d ask throway. She mentioned in the very beginning (around 1:42) that she's from Yangshuo Guilin, not 5-6 minutes into the interview. According to this chart from 23Mofang, Guilin SW Mandarin speakers have around 12.8% Zhuang-Dai genome, which is only lower than Cantonese but higher than all other Sinitic subgroups, hence it's wrong to say that they aren't Daic-shifted. The Daic-like features of the interviewed woman are quite visible, namingly a somewhat darker complexion, a smaller and more compact face, and larger eyes. I think such features are what separating people in Western Guangdong and Guangxi from the more Mittelsinid pan Chinese types in Fujian, Jiangxi, Hunan, and Eastern Guangdong. Regarding Mandarin Corner, she can definitely pass in Northern China, especially in the eastern part of Northern China around Hebei, Beijing, Shandong, and Henan. I would even say that she might be able to pass as a atypical Korean or Japanese type. okarinaofsteiner @mnopsc21b I don't think Mandarin Corner's eyes are even that big. I wouldn't guess her ancestry as southern based on that feature alone. I can easily find Koreans with even larger eyes -- and yes, while she does look "stereotypically" pan Chinese, she could potentially blend as some atypical Korean. Her skin is also in my perspective, generic EA (neither light nor dark). She reminds me of this Korean youtuber: And Park Jihye, a Korean model. They both have the sharp inner eye folds.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 17, 2023 1:14:07 GMT
Could pass in Guangxi but not very typical, I think he's most likely a Guangzhou local or from another part of Guangdong, and could be from Fujian or Hunan as well. The thing is Guangzhou has become more and more cosmopolitan in recent decades, typical or distinct Canto types like Derek Kok, Feng Junyan, and Peng Weiguo are harder and harder to come across. Here's a photo of the Guangxi singer Wei Wei when she was young, if I don't tell you she's from GX you'd probably think she's Thai, Khmer, or Filipina. I think some of you have underestimated how southern-shifted some FSC can be. And I've heard that Wei Wei's father was from Shandong, but still I think her Guangxi genes are dominant and far outweighs her Shandong genes. Would Bolo Yeung have the typical Cantonese phenotype in your opinion? Could pass but definitely not typical. I looked up Bolo Yeung's origin and found that he originated from Meizhou in northeastern Guangdong, which is a Hakka speaking area and not Canto speaking. Bolo Yeung is rather robust and his facial features and eye region are closer to Hokkien than to Cantonese. He reminds me a bit of Bobby Yip, a Hong Kong comedian of Hokkien origin. Typical Cantonese types can be represented by celebrities like Donnie Yen, Dennis To, William Chan, Derek Kok, Louis Koo (all of them originated from Canto-speaking areas) and sportsmen like Feng Junyan and Peng Weiguo, they're all rather lanky-looking and have relatively slender faces and bodies. I think I have a pretty good grasp now on how to tell Hokkien and Cantonese apart, Hokkien people are more robust-looking (could be due to ancient Sinitic or Hmong-Mien influences), whereas Cantos are more gracile / more lanky (likely due to Daic influences).
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 17, 2023 1:28:43 GMT
.Yes in Siam/Thailand's case, I believe its has to do with the religion itself and the culture such as eating pork, alcohol which makes it much easier to for the Chinese to integrate and assimilate due to a lot of shared cultures. Also another reason that the Chinese assimilated much better in Thailand might be due to race. I noticed some Thais especially in the North and certain parts of Northeast can look like Vietnamese, Southern Chinese ethnic minorities or Far Southern Chinese due to high Tai-Kadai ancestry despite not having any recent Chinese ancestry. I wonder if some overlap between the two groups make it easier for the Chinese to blend in and assimilate. Now compared this to Malays and Indonesians who look much more stereotypically SE Asian. Interesting to learn that Japanese and Korean soft power is very popular and influential among Asians in the USA. Me too, I'm not really into Japanese or Korean culture either. Just curious, do you speak Mandarin or any other language/dialect at home with your family? I doubt Northern and Northeastern Thai ethnic minorities are as big of a factor as Mainland SE Asians in general having greater genetic and phenotype overlap with Han Chinese. Although religious culture is probably the biggest factor given differences between Malaysia/Indonesia and the Philippines. Not true, I think SE Asians only overlap with some Lingnan Chinese (particularly Cantos) and maybe some SW Chinese from Guizhou and Yunnan, whereas the overlap isn't that great with Chinese further to the north and to the east.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 17, 2023 1:56:09 GMT
Thanks for sharing though but as I mentioned earlier I'm a young man (not that young actually turning 31 this year) with an old soul and I'm not that into K-Pop, I'm much more into ethnic minority songs and folk songs, particularly those from Southern China. I've also been self-learning Zhuang and Dai languages. I'd recommend the Dai (or Tai Lue) Chinese singer Ai Han Jian, I love listening to a lot of his songs. He's a very talented singer, composer, and songwriter, however due to linguistic and cultural barriers not many people outside of China (or even inside China but from different provinces) know about him and his works. Here's one of his songs about Chiang Mai and the ancient Lanna kingdom from about 20 years ago, I really love the rhythm of this song, I feel purified after listening to it and I hope you'd feel the same as well. Recently I've been listening to this song every night before going to sleep. Without further ado, please enjoy the song Here's my favorite Zhuang song on Youtube, not sure who's the singer or the composer but it just feels so soothing. TBH I don't really like the mass industrialized songs (like K-Pop or J-Pop for instance), before those kinds of genres "invaded" China, we actually had a lot of talented native and ethnic composers and singers, but after the dominance of K and J Pops in China, they have mostly faded away from the picture, which is a sad thing. That's why I only like listening to old Chinese songs from around 2 decades ago, not really the new songs. These songs sound nice! Thanks for sharing. Yes, quite soothing - I did some journaling in my diary this morning as I listened to these songs. I like the slower, more melancholy songs in C-pop as well - used to be a big fan of the song "Beijing, Beijing" by Feng Wang. I'm sure you've heard of it. But I think it'd be amiss to characterize all of "Kpop" as just mass noisy music either - it's actually a massive industry with various sub-genres. I know I put up some of the more techno-, trap-, or electronic-based ones, but the ones that surprisingly get a lot of plays on Spotfiy (international) are the slower, more intentional R&B- based or ballad-type songs you hear as some background ost to Kdramas, so I think the international palate for Asian music isn't just restricted to "pop".... This song by Car the Garden in the drama Alchemy of Souls is a good example of that (has a very common melody composed in a minor key as seen in more traditional Korean songs, but still with some modern twist). It's Korean's take on the Chinese wuxia but with various twists that actually did quite well internationally. I also think you'll really like this song by Jannabi- "For Lovers Who Hesitate". The beats are light, reminiscent of the 60s and 70s radio music, but the lyrics are quite moving. Or Hyukoh's Tomboy, which is decrying the loss of innocence with age, but also the ability to be more grateful for the small things one used to take for granted. Thanks for your appreciation of my suggested songs! I've heard Beijing-Beijing before, but I'm not a great fan of the song, cause it reminds me of my own not-so-well experiences in Beijing. Wuxia genre has fallen in popularity in recent years. After Jin Yong there hasn't been any popular Wuxia novelist, and HK, TW, and Mainland China have made and remade Jin Yong classics many times into all kinds of films and dramas (at least 20 to 30 times if not more if we combine them all), to the point of getting overdone and boring. And plus many young generations of readers aren't really intrigued or enticed by the strong sinocentric and patriotic undertones of Jin Yong's novels. I used to be a fan of them when I was a teen but as I grew up and read more Chinese history I began to realize that a lot of what he said in the novels aren't true. Like for instance in his famous work Tian Long Ba Bu or Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils he wrote that the Khitans broke the truce and invaded the Song and massacred many Song people, which in turn caused the Wuxias or the kungfu heroes on the Song side to fight back. But in real history it was the Song who broke the truce and allied themselves with the Jurchens and invaded Khitan territory, only to be defeated by the famous Khitan general Yelu Dashi. Really I don't like Jin Yong white-washing the ancient Sinitic dynasties, the truth was that the ancient Sinitic dynasties did many horrible things both to their own people and to others. I think people of my generation or younger are more intrigued by science-fiction novels, adventure novels, and novels related to the matters of our daily lives (similar to the genre of the Korean film Parasite) rather than traditional patriotic, heroic, and sinocentric Wuxia genres.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 17, 2023 2:06:58 GMT
Thanks for asking, I'm quite good. The last 2-3 years have also been quite busy for me. To answer your first question, there might be some stigma for expressing or voicing a preference for Northern Chinese women, but such stigma is definitely much much smaller or much less important when comparing to the stigma associated with preference for FSC and SE Asian women. I've been called various names on Chinese discussion boards from monkey to dwarf to negrito, but I couldn't care less about them. I won't change my preference just because of some silly nicknames. Can't really comment on how popular K-Pop has become since I'm not really into K-Pop. But one thing I can comment is that compared to Korea and Japan China definitely has the potential to export its cultures to the world as well since the cultures languages and peoples in China are very diverse. However under the extreme censorship the only stuff that is guaranteed to pass censorship are those anti-Japanese dramas set in the WW2 era or those dramas about the Chinese revolutions, which no one in the world likes to watch apart from some old Chinese folks of my grandparents' generation. It's good to know that publicly shaming students has been outlawed in Korea, I wish it could be outlawed in China as well, but I'm not really opportunistic about it. The video that I showed you was filmed on Dec 31st 2021 so still quite recent and the two teachers who publicly shamed the young girl did not get the punishment they deserved I heard that they were only told to temporarily quit their job, not sure if they ever came back to the school. Sometime ago uisashi has posted a few video links about some soldiers in northern rural Shanxi and I think they have a rather significant overlap with Koreans. Would you mind checking the videos and share your thoughts on the matter please? Thanks. v.douyin.com/MuVDR22/ v.douyin.com/MuV79A9/ v.douyin.com/MuVCgAn/ Apologies for my delayed response! But thanks for the link, I've viewed all three. In general, I don't see why a large number of the soldiers should be able to pass/blend individually in Korea. They may even have a better chance in the North, as well. It's mostly on the group level I begin to see some differences. On average, I think limbs are straighter in Nhan with sometimes more flat/gracile faces (that lack cheekbone and/or forehead projection and a narrower midface), and the mouth prog is slightly less. By comparison, the Korean body types tend to be less straight, and more brachy heads, with more projecting forehead/cheekbone areas with wider midfaces, eyes that are rounder with slightly darker irises (due to traces of Jomon-esque influences), with sometimes pseudo-Jomon-esque features, and the headshape is typically narrower and eyebrows more straight. I also think that Koreans sometimes have recombinations of both the far Northern and Southern influences (not southern as in "fsc", but non-Sibrid/tungid influences that are more unique to the Korean peninsula) which may also be less common in Nhan. Largely agree, though I must add that narrow features aren't that common for NHan either, at least not for my generation or for the regions that I'm most familiar with (Beijing, Hebei, Shandong, and Dongbei). And also I think the furthest south place that native non-mixed Koreans could pass is around Jiangsu, Shanghai, Anhui, or Hubei, anywhere further south is hard for Koreans to pass.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 17, 2023 2:12:19 GMT
From Uisashi's videos, This guy looking at the camera I don't find very familiar due to how narrow his face is. That's an example of nhan pheno that doesn't easily pass in Korea. I think he could still pass in Korea, though probably not the most typical looking. Koreans occasionally have rather long and narrow faces as well.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 17, 2023 2:28:08 GMT
She mentioned in the very beginning (around 1:42) that she's from Yangshuo Guilin, not 5-6 minutes into the interview. According to this chart from 23Mofang, Guilin SW Mandarin speakers have around 12.8% Zhuang-Dai genome, which is only lower than Cantonese but higher than all other Sinitic subgroups, hence it's wrong to say that they aren't Daic-shifted. The Daic-like features of the interviewed woman are quite visible, namingly a somewhat darker complexion, a smaller and more compact face, and larger eyes. I think such features are what separating people in Western Guangdong and Guangxi from the more Mittelsinid pan Chinese types in Fujian, Jiangxi, Hunan, and Eastern Guangdong. Regarding Mandarin Corner, she can definitely pass in Northern China, especially in the eastern part of Northern China around Hebei, Beijing, Shandong, and Henan. I would even say that she might be able to pass as a atypical Korean or Japanese type. okarinaofsteiner @mnopsc21b I don't think Mandarin Corner's eyes are even that big. I wouldn't guess her ancestry as southern based on that feature alone. I can easily find Koreans with even larger eyes -- and yes, while she does look "stereotypically" pan Chinese, she could potentially blend as some atypical Korean. Her skin is also in my perspective, generic EA (neither light nor dark). She reminds me of this Korean youtuber: And Park Jihye, a Korean model. They both have the sharp inner eye folds. Well TBH she's from Jiangxi (not sure where in Jiangxi exactly though but I guess most likely the northern parts of Jiangxi) which isn't that southern but more like central. And such phenotype is most likely the result of ancient Sinitic people migrating southward. I agree that the size of eyes as well as double-eyelids matter but sometimes it's not just the eyes that differentiate between northerners and southerners but rather the whole eye region including eyebrows. FSC and SE Asians can still have small eyes sometimes, but unlike similarly small-eyed northern individuals their eye region is deeper (or more sunken) and their eyebrows are positioned lower very close to the eyes, and also unlike northerners who tend to have a slightly upturned eyelid or inner eye corner their eyelid or eye corner is either straight or slightly downturned. The model is beautiful, I admit she's not the type that I most prefer but I nonetheless admire and appreciate her beauty, and I hope she won't get plastic surgery to change her eyes cause that would be sad. I think in recent years I've become more acceptable of different kinds or styles of beauties.
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Post by shirvanshah on Jan 17, 2023 3:03:57 GMT
.Yes in Siam/Thailand's case, I believe its has to do with the religion itself and the culture such as eating pork, alcohol which makes it much easier to for the Chinese to integrate and assimilate due to a lot of shared cultures. Also another reason that the Chinese assimilated much better in Thailand might be due to race. I noticed some Thais especially in the North and certain parts of Northeast can look like Vietnamese, Southern Chinese ethnic minorities or Far Southern Chinese due to high Tai-Kadai ancestry despite not having any recent Chinese ancestry. I wonder if some overlap between the two groups make it easier for the Chinese to blend in and assimilate. Now compared this to Malays and Indonesians who look much more stereotypically SE Asian. Interesting to learn that Japanese and Korean soft power is very popular and influential among Asians in the USA. Me too, I'm not really into Japanese or Korean culture either. Just curious, do you speak Mandarin or any other language/dialect at home with your family? I doubt Northern and Northeastern Thai ethnic minorities are as big of a factor as Mainland SE Asians in general having greater genetic and phenotype overlap with Han Chinese. Although religious culture is probably the biggest factor given differences between Malaysia/Indonesia and the Philippines. I am somewhat familiar with anime and hallyu (my username is a partial anime reference), but I’m not a big fan of Asian dramas in general and you wouldn’t catch me dead at a k-pop concert unless I was being paid to accompany someone. I guess my interest in Japanese and Korean culture is broader (not limited to pop culture) and less intense haha. Everything is relative. Yes but it’s a mix of Mandarin and English. Agreed, but Northern and Northeast Thais are not seen as "ethnic minorities" and "different ethnic groups" by other Thais. In fact, Northeasteners make up like the majority of Thailand's population; they are even more numerous than Siamese/Central Thais (Bangkok included). While there are around 6 million Northern Thais btw (not sure if hill tribes are included). Well I was reading some posts on Quora that says that its harder to discriminate and hate another group if they resemble you in looks besides the shared cultural and religious similarities, of course. Thus making, the Chinese migrants easier to assimilate. In the case of Philippines, yes Christianity probably is more inclusive and makes it easier for the Chinese there to also integrate unlike Malaysia/Indonesia. Btw, in the case of Philippines, I noticed many Igorots/Cordillerans can resemble Southern Chinese minorities, Vietnamese, some Far Southern Chinese as well unlike most Flips, but its probably not a big factor as you wrote. Me too. I also don't follow Korean and Japanese culture at all. I don't watch Asian dramas either. Sorry for off topic, but I noticed a lot of Thais seem to be confused by the the concept of "ethnicity" and "race". If you ask someone from Chiang Rai and another person from South, what their ethnicities are, they will say "Thai" even though that's far from the truth. Or if you ask a Lao speaker from Isan if he is different ethnicity from a Bangkoker of Chinese descent, he will be confused and say they are both "Thai". It's like they don't understand what the word "ethnicity" means. I see. How easy is reading, writing Mandarin for you? Does your parents also speak other Chinese variants?
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jan 17, 2023 3:07:57 GMT
She mentioned in the very beginning (around 1:42) that she's from Yangshuo Guilin, not 5-6 minutes into the interview. Regarding Mandarin Corner, she can definitely pass in Northern China, especially in the eastern part of Northern China around Hebei, Beijing, Shandong, and Henan. I would even say that she might be able to pass as a atypical Korean or Japanese type. okarinaofsteiner @mnopsc21b I don't think Mandarin Corner's eyes are even that big. I wouldn't guess her ancestry as southern based on that feature alone. I can easily find Koreans with even larger eyes -- and yes, while she does look "stereotypically" pan Chinese, she could potentially blend as some atypical Korean. Her skin is also in my perspective, generic EA (neither light nor dark). Mandarin Corner's face shape and proportions are "sudsinid"-ish. Face is broad, eyes are spaced further apart, forehead is wider and lower, facial proportions are a bit similar to Deng Xiaoping (who is unarguably southern-looking facially). When I say her eyes look bigger, it's based on the size of the colored parts of her eyes relative to the rest of her face- which I don't think a lot of people pay that much attention to when evaluating facial features. Usually they only pay attention to the shape of the eyes. Fan Bingbing might have "large" eyes with artificial double eyelids, but the shape of her eyes and the way they intersect with her face/head shape is fundamentally Northern. Shuo from Shuoshuo Chinese is from Changsha and she speaks in Changsha dialect in some of her videos. While her eyes are smaller relative to the rest of her face, they're also spaced farther apart, which gives her face a more SEA composite vibe. Zhang Yimou, having a characteristically Northern Chinese look, has relatively narrow-set eyes shirvanshah - Ma Huateng is an example of someone who looks very distinctly Teochew to me. I rarely see people in the US who look like him unless they're SEA Chinese of probable Teochew ancestry. I've met maybe one PRC origin person who may have been named after a county/village in the Chaoshan area who kind of resembles him. Li Ka-shing had an preteen/teenage Amos Yee (before he grew his hair out long and started wearing glasses) like vibe when he was younger Half-Thai Chinese + half-Hong Kong (Teochew) heritage ( according to Wikipedia) actor James Ma looks distinctly Thai Chinese to me, idk why. Something to do with the crease in his eyes, the dimples in his face when he smiles, and his lips suggests not-China/TW/HK ethnic Chinese to me. Singaporean actor Chen Shucheng (Teochew heritage) looks more familiar to me though.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jan 17, 2023 3:47:26 GMT
okarinaofsteiner @mnopsc21b I don't think Mandarin Corner's eyes are even that big. I wouldn't guess her ancestry as southern based on that feature alone. I can easily find Koreans with even larger eyes -- and yes, while she does look "stereotypically" pan Chinese, she could potentially blend as some atypical Korean. Her skin is also in my perspective, generic EA (neither light nor dark). Mandarin Corner's face shape and proportions are "sudsinid"-ish. Face is broad, eyes are spaced further apart, forehead is wider and lower, facial proportions are a bit similar to Deng Xiaoping (who is unarguably southern-looking facially). When I say her eyes look bigger, it's based on the size of the colored parts of her eyes relative to the rest of her face- which I don't think a lot of people pay that much attention to when evaluating facial features. Usually they only pay attention to the shape of the eyes. Fan Bingbing might have "large" eyes with artificial double eyelids, but the shape of her eyes and the way they intersect with her face/head shape is fundamentally Northern. Shuo from Shuoshuo Chinese is from Changsha and she speaks in Changsha dialect in some of her videos. While her eyes are smaller relative to the rest of her face, they're also spaced farther apart, which gives her face a more SEA composite vibe. Zhang Yimou, having a characteristically Northern Chinese look, has relatively narrow-set eyes shirvanshah - Ma Huateng is an example of someone who looks very distinctly Teochew to me. I rarely see people in the US who look like him unless they're SEA Chinese of probable Teochew ancestry. I've met maybe one PRC origin person who may have been named after a county/village in the Chaoshan area who kind of resembles him. Li Ka-shing had an preteen/teenage Amos Yee (before he grew his hair out long and started wearing glasses) like vibe when he was younger Half-Thai Chinese + half-Hong Kong (Teochew) heritage ( according to Wikipedia) actor James Ma looks distinctly Thai Chinese to me, idk why. Something to do with the crease in his eyes, the dimples in his face when he smiles, and his lips suggests not-China/TW/HK ethnic Chinese to me. Singaporean actor Chen Shucheng (Teochew heritage) looks more familiar to me though. Nope you need to stop randomly assign people to the Sudsinid category. Mandarin Corner isn't Sudsinid cause she doesn't look southern enough, even Shuoshuo Chinese from Changsha looks more southern than her, let alone those from places further south like Guangdong or Guangxi. None of her features scream Sudsinid to me, broad face with eyes set far apart aren't Sudsinid features but are instead found among many Mittelsinids, Nordsinids, and Tungids. Wide and low forehead can also be found among Central/Northern Chinese as well as Tungids. I would consider Mandarin Corner to be a distinct Mittelsinid type with perhaps some Tungid or ancient Sinitic influences. I can see some resemblances between her type and certain Han figurines I've seen. You know what's even better? Maybe we should abandon these outdated terms altogether. I kind of agree with throway in that we shouldn't simply group people as "northern" and "southern" cause each region has its own peculiar characteristics.
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jan 17, 2023 6:03:36 GMT
Agreed, but Northern and Northeast Thais are not seen as "ethnic minorities" and "different ethnic groups" by other Thais. In fact, Northeasteners make up like the majority of Thailand's population; they are even more numerous than Siamese/Central Thais (Bangkok included). While there are around 6 million Northern Thais btw (not sure if hill tribes are included). Well I was reading some posts on Quora that says that its harder to discriminate and hate another group if they resemble you in looks besides the shared cultural and religious similarities, of course. Thus making, the Chinese migrants easier to assimilate. In the case of Philippines, yes Christianity probably is more inclusive and makes it easier for the Chinese there to also integrate unlike Malaysia/Indonesia. Btw, in the case of Philippines, I noticed many Igorots/Cordillerans can resemble Southern Chinese minorities, Vietnamese, some Far Southern Chinese as well unlike most Flips, but its probably not a big factor as you wrote. Sorry for off topic, but I noticed a lot of Thais seem to be confused by the the concept of "ethnicity" and "race". If you ask someone from Chiang Rai and another person from South, what their ethnicities are, they will say "Thai" even though that's far from the truth. Or if you ask a Lao speaker from Isan if he is different ethnicity from a Bangkoker of Chinese descent, he will be confused and say they are both "Thai". It's like they don't understand what the word "ethnicity" means. I'm guessing Standard Thai doesn't have separate words for "nationality" and "ethnicity"? What you're describing sounds similar to Japan and the Koreas in that regard. Although it's possible the people you're talking to just don't want to go into more detail to be polite. How easy is reading, writing Mandarin for you? Does your parents also speak other Chinese variants? Kind of, but I have Simplified Chinese keyboards on both my personal computer and my smartphone so that makes it much easier. Being involved in online pop anthro communities also helps, even though all of our communication here is in English. Another Chinese American I've dated before who can't read or write Chinese but uses WeChat to video call relatives in China introduced me to this app called Pieco, which basically functions as an English-Written Chinese translator. Yes, it's what you'd expect considering where in China they're from. I can answer in more detail privately if you'd like, won't post too much here.
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jan 17, 2023 6:03:55 GMT
Back on topic
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