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Post by eldertree on Aug 2, 2017 19:24:03 GMT
I thought it stole Sino elements and instrumentals inappropriately Like there are some guys dancing in a Taiji-esque way and also sexualised fan dance and she's wearing some sort of crossed collar robe although the collar is reversed. foheadDynasty defiancexyzz
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Post by foheadDynasty on Aug 3, 2017 2:51:58 GMT
I thought it stole Sino elements and instrumentals inappropriately Like there are some guys dancing in a Taiji-esque way and also sexualised fan dance and she's wearing some sort of crossed collar robe although the collar is reversed. foheadDynasty defiancexyzz This is the exact kind of thing where the ignorant Chinese will be happy that Chinese things are being stolen and made into some fusion element to spice up somebody else's creation. It's like they are thinking, "See see! Us Chinese are cool. This video says so." These kinds of ignorant Chinese don't know the real reason why their stuff is being stolen. Dummies, it's not because they agree with your stuff and want to make it mainstream it is because they think it is exotic and want to play with it as a pet project kind of thing and keep it in the margin. After that it becomes just another used condom.
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Post by defiancexyzz on Aug 3, 2017 5:46:52 GMT
I thought it stole Sino elements and instrumentals inappropriately Like there are some guys dancing in a Taiji-esque way and also sexualised fan dance and she's wearing some sort of crossed collar robe although the collar is reversed. foheadDynasty defiancexyzz This is the exact kind of thing where the ignorant Chinese will be happy that Chinese things are being stolen and made into some fusion element to spice up somebody else's creation. It's like they are thinking, "See see! Us Chinese are cool. This video says so." These kinds of ignorant Chinese don't know the real reason why their stuff is being stolen. Dummies, it's not because they agree with your stuff and want to make it mainstream it is because they think it is exotic and want to play with it as a pet project kind of thing and keep it in the margin. After that it becomes just another used condom. eldertree Completely agree. It's definitely Sino and not the collective "oriental" red herring because those moves are distinct of taijiquan practitioners (and dancing aunties ) foheadDynasty Actually, most Chinese will not think too much about this, they'd feel this is a bizarre imitation of their culture at best and no more. Also, the average Chinese is still fairly conservative in the respect that they're not interested in black pop culture. A cheap "black" hip-hop artist or rapper isn't going to catch their attention much, which is why there was virtually no feelings in China when RZA's atrocious Man with the Iron Fists was made. From memory, many Asian Americans found it offensive and I definitely see where they were coming from. It was a steaming pile of garbage full of cliches. Now what would really make them feel accomplished in the "See see! Us Chinese are cool. This video says so." is when elements of their country are put into a film by mainstream Americans, i.e. mainly white. Examples include the Martian and Gravity, where the Chinese play an important part in "saving" the hero. Sometimes, it could just include a "Chinese" setting or characters, e.g. Pacific Rim and Looper. Of course, when the pandering is too blatant, the whole thing falls apart again. .
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Post by foheadDynasty on Aug 3, 2017 11:59:19 GMT
While this music video doesn't make me proud because it is offering a very clear message about the ancient traditions in China, a fraction of them mind you, it doesn't really have an issue of misrepresentation.
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Post by defiancexyzz on Aug 4, 2017 5:31:08 GMT
Chinese culture and tradition is so deep and vast that many Chinese don't experience all of it in their whole lives. By the way, I'm quite glad that Chinese are wary of blacks. Too bad most aren't anti-black the same way Africans are anti-Chinese. I hope that changes. Sinophobia is everywhere in Africa and so are violent riots and crime. I really can't stand Africans, Aframs and other NAMs are even worse. Look at how Aframs always try to keep Asians down. Jeremy Lin got so much crap from black players it's not funny. Look at Eva Simons, the racist subject of this thread. Koba, we must always keep a distance from them, never assist them, never side with them. They're super ungrateful. They always mention how East Asians suck up to white people and never helped them in their civil rights movement. Yet East Asians were present when blacks were at their weakest, helping them in their fight to be treated as normal human beings. And it's actually NAMs who work together with white Americans to keep Asian Americans down. It doesn't matter if they're liberal or conservative, in America all non East Asian Americans are the same 'anti-Asian' sh*t. Have a good read at the comments on this article and feel disgusted. Either way, this is perhaps the best comment in the whole article.
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Post by foheadDynasty on Aug 4, 2017 5:59:11 GMT
Yea I agree. The thing is the idea that a western video is going to make a Chinese cool is a reflection of the desire to improve the Chinese kind's lot when there was little chance being offered in the first place. Us Chinese aren't loaded with coolness in the music vids and movies created by non Chinese because other people look down on us a great deal where it counts. I remember when I made the best grades with the most stunning written reports in school and students and teachers were impressed. They genuinely commented. But how does that fly in the real world? Not very good because people denature from goodness and become evil due to social pressures. If they see that they can push a Chinese down, they will. They will chuckle when something doesn't go your way, they will have intricate thwarting plans if they see you taking initiative on projects. They will tell you not to have ideas. So it's a complete long shot and remotely possible where any director, even a Chinese one, is going to want to try making a big budget movie that claims a sexy suave action hero can be Chinese because even Chinese won't believe in it.
The only way which can revolutionize the Chinese is when the country of origin, China, has something revolutionary and indispensable for the world. So I get why The Martian or Looper are good examples where Chinese are finally given a nod.
Because I'm tired of Chinese diaspora identifying with Joy Luck Club or Eat Drink Man Woman or saying Lee Ang is the shit in Hollywood.
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Post by defiancexyzz on Aug 4, 2017 6:31:59 GMT
Beautifully written and agree with many points. I'm sorry to hear what you have to go through. I notice Asian Americans who are separated from their ethnic community are the worst off, i.e. the lone Asian kid in an entirely non-Asian environment. It's always been more complicated with Asians because we're not a race conscious people. White Americans have pan-european communities regardless of origin, e.g. Anglo Americans, German Americans, Russian Americans, Italian Americans, Greek Americans, Spanish Americans, Jewish Americans, Scandinavian Americans can come together under a single 'white' identity. The same for blacks, Nigerian, Somalian, Sudanese, Ethiopian, Jamaican, etc. The same for Latinos and MENAs.
But Asian Americans are indeed a fragmented lot. SEAsians form their own cliques, Koreans, Japanese, Chinese as well. In fact, Chinese Americans are further divided into westernized Chinese, first gen immigrants, HK and Taiwanese Americans, SEA Chinese (which is further divided into Indochina Chinese and Nusantara Chinese). In fact, some Chinese even segregate themselves, by region, province, city, even hometown. It's funny though, people always make out the difference to be North and South, but in my experience the real inequality/differences lie between East and West.
Personally, since everyone is doing it, I'm all for a Chinese pan group that totally excludes SEAs like Malays, Indonesians, etc. since those groups exclude as in the first place. Why should they reap the benefits of family when we're not even related?
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Post by defiancexyzz on Aug 4, 2017 7:16:28 GMT
One other thing, I notice the American MSM is actively targeting and socially engineering Chinese/Chinese Americans through the insemination of "Western neoconservative/neoliberal values". Luckily, FB, YT, Instagram, Google, NYT and FT are blocked in China so they can't: 1. Brainwash and create inferiority complexes/drug addiction on Chinese youth/school students with their fake news 2. Overload Chinese with their stupidity and make them waste their time with pointless drivel; why should young Chinese be force fed Justin Bieber's mischief or the Kardashian's asses, treating them like some form of demigods? 3. Expose Chinese to the millions of anti-Chinese trolls so that Chinese will spend their times unproductively fighting these trolls?
The Zionist American media keeps irresponsibly telling the world that Uhmuhrika iz da bezz cuhntry in da world. It's pretty infectious, like a disease this rhetoric. When I visit my relatives in China, my young cousins always tell me how cool it is that they have an "American" cousin and how I'm living in the best country in the world. They're between five to ten so there's no way I can explain to them it's not all Wall-E, Frozen or the next "American originated" (LOL because most of it is stealing from other cultures) sensation hitting China.
Generally, it's a very racist place and Sinophobia is widely accepted there. Older Chinese and those that studied there understand what I mean and see through the propaganda. It'll be even better if they can see the Jewish American puppet master behind this propaganda. Jews are the perfect example of why Chinese shouldn't support NAMs. Like most non-Chinese, these people take us for granted, don't value/understand the Chinese concept of reciprocity and would gladly stab us in the back if they had to.
And yes, Ang Lee is overrated. The Joy Luck Club would be very insidious because it pretends to be a voice of reason, stereotyping and criticizing Asian American culture. I think it's actually the cause of many social ills and sufferings afflicting Asian Americans. The JLC is just a deceptive tool to perpetuate racist American stereotypes of Chinese people packaged nicely because the author is "Chinese"
The solutions given by the Joy Luck Club are nothing groundbreaking either since it's just the same old divide and conquer strategy Americans like to use on the Chinese. Note how all the solutions center around leaving the what I call Chinese inner circle or culture behind for the 'white' American one. A white person could have written the same book but the intention would be too obvious without their Amy Tan trojan horse
Joy Luck Club is just another one of many attempts by Americans to destroy the Chinese nuclear family unit and socio-cultural connections. That's all.
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Post by foheadDynasty on Aug 5, 2017 20:43:07 GMT
I think the Joy Luck Club is for the Chinese crowd that feels that they "need" to have problems. It's hard to explain but it's like they "need" to see that whatever joys in their life are, they are increased in value only if it is juxtaposed against their sorrows. The whole movie is one melancholy/strong survivor cliche for Chinese women. It's not a bad movie, I'm just tired of the Chinese diaspora identifying with it.
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Post by foheadDynasty on Aug 5, 2017 20:56:51 GMT
One other thing, I notice the American MSM is actively targeting and socially engineering Chinese/Chinese Americans through the insemination of "Western neoconservative/neoliberal values". Luckily, FB, YT, Instagram, Google, NYT and FT are blocked in China so they can't: 1. Brainwash and create inferiority complexes/drug addiction on Chinese youth/school students with their fake news 2. Overload Chinese with their stupidity and make them waste their time with pointless drivel; why should young Chinese be force fed Justin Bieber's mischief or the Kardashian's asses, treating them like some form of demigods? 3. Expose Chinese to the millions of anti-Chinese trolls so that Chinese will spend their times unproductively fighting these trolls? The Zionist American media keeps irresponsibly telling the world that Uhmuhrika iz da bezz cuhntry in da world. It's pretty infectious, like a disease this rhetoric. When I visit my relatives in China, my young cousins always tell me how cool it is that they have an "American" cousin and how I'm living in the best country in the world. They're between five to ten so there's no way I can explain to them it's not all Wall-E, Frozen or the next "American originated" (LOL because most of it is stealing from other cultures) sensation hitting China. Generally, it's a very racist place and Sinophobia is widely accepted there. Older Chinese and those that studied there understand what I mean and see through the propaganda. It'll be even better if they can see the Jewish American puppet master behind this propaganda. Jews are the perfect example of why Chinese shouldn't support NAMs. Like most non-Chinese, these people take us for granted, don't value/understand the Chinese concept of reciprocity and would gladly stab us in the back if they had to. And yes, Ang Lee is overrated. The Joy Luck Club would be very insidious because it pretends to be a voice of reason, stereotyping and criticizing Asian American culture. I think it's actually the cause of many social ills and sufferings afflicting Asian Americans. The JLC is just a deceptive tool to perpetuate racist American stereotypes of Chinese people packaged nicely because the author is "Chinese" The solutions given by the Joy Luck Club are nothing groundbreaking either since it's just the same old divide and conquer strategy Americans like to use on the Chinese. Note how all the solutions center around leaving the what I call Chinese inner circle or culture behind for the 'white' American one. A white person could have written the same book but the intention would be too obvious without their Amy Tan trojan horse Joy Luck Club is just another one of many attempts by Americans to destroy the Chinese nuclear family unit and socio-cultural connections. That's all. You can tell the family in China that unless they get China to superimpose the stuff of legends, that the western media often portrays it as, with real revolutionary progress (and not just gdp growth) then people will continue to take Chinese anywhere with a grain of salt. They will just say, they are hard working and not talented, they are nerds, they are copy cats, they share everything under one roof like the biggest power dam for the whole country, one big wall, one big rich city representing tons of poor cities, etc. etc.
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Post by defiancexyzz on Aug 27, 2017 9:10:15 GMT
You can tell the family in China that unless they get China to superimpose the stuff of legends, that the western media often portrays it as, with real revolutionary progress (and not just gdp growth) then people will continue to take Chinese anywhere with a grain of salt. They will just say, they are hard working and not talented, they are nerds, they are copy cats, they share everything under one roof like the biggest power dam for the whole country, one big wall, one big rich city representing tons of poor cities, etc. etc. I believe the little ones will grow once they turn a little older and start to understand the ways of the world Noticing an increasing confidence among Chinese youth, my peers in China nowadays amaze me with how easily they dismiss nonconstructive insults about their country and people. I heard some time in the late 90s and early 2000s, self hatred was much more common in China. If someone said that all China and all Chinese sucked, many would have either submitted or got emotional. I don't see that trait anymore. In the past, Taiwanese, HKers, Westerners and Overseas Asians were seen as rich, sophisticated, to be admired, blah, blah and their words were taken more seriously then. Now, whenever these groups talk crap about China/Chinese, Chinese just see a piece of sh*t. Strangely, I feel that foreign born Asians are now the ones full of insecurity and it's because the current atmosphere in the US is slowly but surely shifting towards 'white supremacy'. There has been a disturbing resurgence of race-based 'alt right' politics. Minorities, including Asian Americans are forcefed that crap whether they like it or not and thus unwittingly become influenced by it. But here's the thing. Nationalism/xenophobia is increasing in the west, particularly the Anglosphere. Yet they hypocritically accuse the Chinese of becoming more racist/nationalistic. The reality is Chinese are beginning to see the double standards, racism and hostility that Team Anti-China (which is a large part of the west) has and how to deal with them appropriately. In other words, they're seeing these guys as a worthless waste of time and Team Anti-China is not liking it one bit!
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Post by foheadDynasty on Aug 27, 2017 11:11:17 GMT
I don't really feel the pressure of the Anglo Saxons because I see the force of balance at work. Those neo nazis and kkk types are immediately given retribution for their acts and views by swift and determined leaders of their communities. The US is also in recognition of China as the leader in the east as they want China to ease the aggression of North Korea even while China and US are at odds in the South China Seas arena of conflict.
2 things are certain. Europe is slowly diminishing in its western cultural hegemonic power while the US takes over the reins and China is undisputed in the east with its incredible economic strength. How this plays out will be very interesting.
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Post by defiancexyzz on Aug 27, 2017 14:24:46 GMT
I don't really feel the pressure of the Anglo Saxons because I see the force of balance at work. Those neo nazis and kkk types are immediately given retribution for their acts and views by swift and determined leaders of their communities. The US is also in recognition of China as the leader in the east as they want China to ease the aggression of North Korea even while China and US are at odds in the South China Seas arena of conflict. 2 things are certain. Europe is slowly diminishing in its western cultural hegemonic power while the US takes over the reins and China is undisputed in the east with its incredible economic strength. How this plays out will be very interesting. True, that's the present geopolitical situation. Whether they like it or not, the US has to accept China's growing influence in the Asia Pacific region. The turnabout was probably around the formation of the AIIB where many of the US key allies joined as members despite US complaints. The current environment in NK however is unstable because while the US wants China to reign in NK, they're busily criticizing China's efforts alleging that China isn't enforcing the sanctions 100%. Alleging, they have no proof whatsoever. Obviously what they really want is to force China to take military action on NK (so China soaks up the full force of NK missiles), or pressure them into making a stupid move. The fact that they constantly hold war games blatantly in the face of NK actually increases tensions because it becomes a game of chicken between both powers. Yet I've never seen the MSM criticize US for sabotaging whatever efforts Chinese are doing. IMO, sanctions are a big part of the problem in the first place since it punishes the innocent NKs while doing little against the dictators in power. It's designed to make the long suffering NK populace rebel but how can they when they're half starving and lacking all the necessary rights the rest of the world has? Any rebellion would be crushed, it won't be a revolution, it'll be a massacre. Instead, I think it's better to slowly influence them to be a 'normal country' through soft power and diplomacy. Provide education for the populace, sanitation, infrastructure, food, shelter, etc and within a few generations the regime would change much like how China has changed. Convince them to put down their arms and trade like a normal country. Convince them that they are no longer at war. And for that to actually happen, the US needs to sign a peace treaty with NK AND mean it. This means they should allow SK and Japan to have a nuclear deterrent, keep their military alliances with the two nations while moving ALL their military assets and personnel OUT of Asia. And stop their antagonizing of NK and China. Let the countries in Asia make peace amongst themselves without taking sides. That's the true path to peace. Of course, as you can see, this will never happen. The US has interests in remaining in the region and an antagonistic NK benefits them. Which is why they're constantly making threats on NK and publicizing NK threats against them. They're intentionally stoking tensions and it's common knowledge even among many Americans but of course no one is able to stand up to the MIC/Neocons/Deep State. As for the Neonazis and KKKs, it's largely a domestic issue and unlikely to affect the rest of the world. The ones who suffer the most under such policies are going to be American minority groups.
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