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Post by foheadDynasty on Apr 8, 2017 14:54:01 GMT
Like it has to be very very science fiction. No elements of anything else. It can have a narrative that revolves around love or friendship or something else however as that is a natural whenever humans are involved in a story. It can also contain as many other thematic elements within like suspense mystery adventure etc.
What I mean when I say extreme science fiction, everything in it can be physically worked out with science (physics or biology) but the technology we have at present day makes it extremely difficult and expense. Also there would be a great deal of it meaning it isn't just a single thing like laser guns exist in the world. It would be laser guns plus artificial intelligence plus a council on the ethics of terraforming alien planets, etc etc. the entire world that has progressed along with them. There are other more obvious disqualifications as well. This automatically excludes many otherwise exceptional science fiction titles like Avatar because it contains the unexplained phenomenon of floating mountains which was explained with some floating metal but that was hammy and not true science fiction. Now floating mountains made the movie even more watchable but less science fiction if you catch my drift.
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Post by eldertree on Apr 9, 2017 12:35:54 GMT
Like it has to be very very science fiction. No elements of anything else. It can have a narrative that revolves around love or friendship or something else however as that is a natural whenever humans are involved in a story. It can also contain as many other thematic elements within like suspense mystery adventure etc. What I mean when I say extreme science fiction, everything in it can be physically worked out with science (physics or biology) but the technology we have at present day makes it extremely difficult and expense. Also there would be a great deal of it meaning it isn't just a single thing like laser guns exist in the world. It would be laser guns plus artificial intelligence plus a council on the ethics of terraforming alien planets, etc etc. the entire world that has progressed along with them. There are other more obvious disqualifications as well. This automatically excludes many otherwise exceptional science fiction titles like Avatar because it contains the unexplained phenomenon of floating mountains which was explained with some floating metal but that was hammy and not true science fiction. Now floating mountains made the movie even more watchable but less science fiction if you catch my drift. I enjoyed World War Z (2013). I mean technically it is an action horror but it is science fiction because of the theme of a zombie virus which is science fiction. There is another film which I have yet to see called Ex Machina (2015). It looks alright but I haven't seen it so I can't recommend it.  I have also seen Mad Max Fury Road (2015) but that is just action all the way through I felt sort of overwhelmed at the end of the film. It's like 2 hours of constant action. I have also seen Looper (2012) which I found quite boring, I don't recommend. I can't even remember what happens in it. Interstellar (2014) is pretty good although the first part drags really long and it only starts picking up and getting interesting toward the end. Then there are classics like the Fifth Element which is quintessentially sci fi (1997). I don't know if you like TV shows but Black Mirror is mostly dark sci-fi full of twists and turns. |
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Post by foheadDynasty on Apr 9, 2017 13:38:59 GMT
I have see all those except for Mad Max Fury Road. Interstellar pops out at me as one that used extreme science fiction while the others may or may not be.
For me Alien and the Aliens franchise which follows uses extreme science fiction. From the acid blood to the size of the mining vessels, to existence of super intelligent humanoid robots, to sleep hibernation in space, to everything that has to be designed in the series. Just about the only things that aren't science fiction, such as the arbitrary design of xenomorphs and the interior of alien spacecraft, come from Giger. So pretty much Giger made people think the Alien movies are about horror and not extreme science fiction.
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Post by defiancexyzz on Apr 10, 2017 16:24:55 GMT
I have see all those except for Mad Max Fury Road. Interstellar pops out at me as one that used extreme science fiction while the others may or may not be. For me Alien and the Aliens franchise which follows uses extreme science fiction. From the acid blood to the size of the mining vessels, to existence of super intelligent humanoid robots, to sleep hibernation in space, to everything that has to be designed in the series. Just about the only things that aren't science fiction, such as the arbitrary design of xenomorphs and the interior of alien spacecraft, come from Giger. So pretty much Giger made people think the Alien movies are about horror and not extreme science fiction. Have you tried Arrival (2016)? How about The Thing (1982)? |
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Post by redwine on Apr 12, 2017 2:33:01 GMT
I like Bladerunner
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Post by eldertree on Apr 13, 2017 16:21:54 GMT
I watched Ex Machina last night and it's OK. It's more of a mystery sort of thing. I don't get how the robot Ava is going to hide the fact she is not human forever. I mean she doesn't even have a passport or ID card or birth certificate, she'll get found out.
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Post by foheadDynasty on Apr 14, 2017 1:44:09 GMT
I watched Ex Machina last night and it's OK. It's more of a mystery sort of thing. I don't get how the robot Ava is going to hide the fact she is not human forever. I mean she doesn't even have a passport or ID card or birth certificate, she'll get found out. That movie was incredibly sexy. I seriously thought Ava was going to end up together with that Asian femmebot. Then it became clear she was using everyone. |
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Post by eldertree on Apr 14, 2017 11:37:48 GMT
I watched Ex Machina last night and it's OK. It's more of a mystery sort of thing. I don't get how the robot Ava is going to hide the fact she is not human forever. I mean she doesn't even have a passport or ID card or birth certificate, she'll get found out. That movie was incredibly sexy. I seriously thought Ava was going to end up together with that Asian femmebot. Then it became clear she was using everyone. Me too I was like huh so she's a lesbian when she was whispering sensually to the Asian femmebot. It was a very intimate and bordering romantic moment I think Kyoko is the only non self-serving character in the film.
All their outcomes are due to their selfishness, apart from Kyoko.
Nathan(the macho boss) dies because he wants to keep Ava captive and prevent her from rebelling. He creates the robots for his own pleasure.
Ava escapes for her own pleasure or curiosity or freedom. She didn't care about anybody else, not even Kyoko even though she helped her.
Caleb (the programmer guest) is played a fool by Nathan and even more so by Ava. When asked "are you a good person ?" in the lie test game, Caleb says yes, but Ava doesn't reveal if he's lying or telling the truth. He ends up trapped in the facility because he wanted to romance Ava (and have her for himself). He wanted to be a hero and he also wanted a girlfriend, so it's ultimately self serving.
Kyoko "dies" helping Ava escape. Her death is the only selfless outcome or sacrifice out of the three.
It's really up for debate whether she had developed actual sympathy, or if her AI was not advanced enough to have foresight, or even if she is just naturally programmed to be subservient to others. After all, if she were on the same AI level as Ava, surely she would have manipulated the situation to suit herself, rather than for somebody else? Or was it a true act of sympathy and sacrifice?
That said, we are constantly shown Kyoko listening in on Nathan and Caleb's conversations and she even has the ability to use the computers to spy on Caleb when Nathan is passed out drunk, indicating that she's not "dumb".
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Post by defiancexyzz on Apr 15, 2017 5:59:50 GMT
That movie was incredibly sexy. I seriously thought Ava was going to end up together with that Asian femmebot. Then it became clear she was using everyone. Me too I was like huh so she's a lesbian when she was whispering sensually to the Asian femmebot. It was a very intimate and bordering romantic moment I think Kyoko is the only non self-serving character in the film.
All their outcomes are due to their selfishness, apart from Kyoko.
Nathan(the macho boss) dies because he wants to keep Ava captive and prevent her from rebelling. He creates the robots for his own pleasure.
Ava escapes for her own pleasure or curiosity or freedom. She didn't care about anybody else, not even Kyoko even though she helped her.
Caleb (the programmer guest) is played a fool by Nathan and even more so by Ava. When asked "are you a good person ?" in the lie test game, Caleb says yes, but Ava doesn't reveal if he's lying or telling the truth. He ends up trapped in the facility because he wanted to romance Ava (and have her for himself). He wanted to be a hero and he also wanted a girlfriend, so it's ultimately self serving.
Kyoko "dies" helping Ava escape. Her death is the only selfless outcome or sacrifice out of the three.
It's really up for debate whether she had developed actual sympathy, or if her AI was not advanced enough to have foresight, or even if she is just naturally programmed to be subservient to others. After all, if she were on the same AI level as Ava, surely she would have manipulated the situation to suit herself, rather than for somebody else? Or was it a true act of sympathy and sacrifice?
That said, we are constantly shown Kyoko listening in on Nathan and Caleb's conversations and she even has the ability to use the computers to spy on Caleb when Nathan is passed out drunk, indicating that she's not "dumb".
She was my favorite character by far and I agree with you. I wished the ending was Ava and Kyoko escaping together and making out. My least favorite was Nathan but it's because I just don't like how he looks. Not a fan of anything that looks like it chows down curries for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I also felt he was a stereotypical villain character with an 'Asian servant' like Picolo from DBZ, the wimp from the Old Boy remake, the dude from Die Hard 4? and just about every bond villain with an Asian missus. Sonoya Mizuno is the bomb though, I have a thing for ballet dancers  |
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Post by eldertree on Apr 15, 2017 13:42:05 GMT
I thought Nathan was Indian or Arabic in the movie but then I looked him up and it turns out he's Hispanic from Guatemala. The beard and glasses makes him look West or South Asian lol  |
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Post by defiancexyzz on Apr 15, 2017 16:40:23 GMT
Yeah, you already know my opinion of those guys  Looking at Nathan brings back bad memories and the number of threads dedicated to South Asian/MENAs on anthroscape and forumbiodiversity is what I find most disturbing of all. Those guys take all the spotlight away from more interesting groups IMO |
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