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Post by onara on Apr 27, 2023 2:09:50 GMT
Judging by the behaviors of uisashi and throway2, I'm beginning to understand why Chinese are hated in many parts of Asia and the world. They have no respect to the autonomy of others and want to claim everything as Chinese. Laos is one of the very few countries that are friendly to China and I'll explain the reason. From what I know since their independence from France Laos had been an ally or follower of Vietnam for a long time, and their relation with China once dropped to an icy point when in 1979 China decided to "retaliate" (invade) Vietnam because they had just overthrown the inhumane Khmer Rouge regime of Cambodia, as a follower of Vietnam Laos stood on Vietnam's side and condemned China's actions. But by doing this (invading Vietnam which is a communist country) China sort of gained the trust of the US and its allies and that was the reason why in the 80's China had experienced a boom in economy thanks to western support, but all that largely ended in 1989 (for reasons everyone knows I won't go into detail here). Relation with Laos gradually improved during the course of 90's and 00's, but the decisive factors that pushed Laos towards China only came in 2017 and 2018, within the last decade. In the summer of 2018 a South Korean built dam in Laos broke which caused a massive flood there, and the South Korean company which built the dam refused to take responsibility. Honestly, not true. Also, the dam was a joint Laotian-SK project, rather than something Koreans singlehandedly built and poorly managed: "On 26 July, South Korean President Moon Jae-in ordered a relief team to be sent into the country, a rare order from their President for any accident in foreign country since a South Korean firm was involved in the incident.[41]" "South Korean government also deciding to send more aid along with the offer of US$1 million aid shortly after the arrival of medicine and relief supplies from the country.[56][57] Another relief team consisting of 19 medical personnel was sent by South Korea on 7 August.[58] Apart from the aid of South Korean government, SK Group has offered to donate $10 million relief aid, Korean Air has sent 36,000 litres of mineral water with 2,000 blankets and Lotte Group has donated US$100,000.[57][59]"[/quote]
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 27, 2023 2:45:22 GMT
Judging by the behaviors of uisashi and throway2, I'm beginning to understand why Chinese are hated in many parts of Asia and the world. They have no respect to the autonomy of others and want to claim everything as Chinese. Laos is one of the very few countries that are friendly to China and I'll explain the reason. From what I know since their independence from France Laos had been an ally or follower of Vietnam for a long time, and their relation with China once dropped to an icy point when in 1979 China decided to "retaliate" (invade) Vietnam because they had just overthrown the inhumane Khmer Rouge regime of Cambodia, as a follower of Vietnam Laos stood on Vietnam's side and condemned China's actions. But by doing this (invading Vietnam which is a communist country) China sort of gained the trust of the US and its allies and that was the reason why in the 80's China had experienced a boom in economy thanks to western support, but all that largely ended in 1989 (for reasons everyone knows I won't go into detail here). Relation with Laos gradually improved during the course of 90's and 00's, but the decisive factors that pushed Laos towards China only came in 2017 and 2018, within the last decade. In the summer of 2018 a South Korean built dam in Laos broke which caused a massive flood there, and the South Korean company which built the dam refused to take responsibility. Honestly, not true. Also, the dam was a joint Laotian-SK project, rather than something Koreans singlehandedly built and poorly managed: "On 26 July, South Korean President Moon Jae-in ordered a relief team to be sent into the country, a rare order from their President for any accident in foreign country since a South Korean firm was involved in the incident.[41]" "South Korean government also deciding to send more aid along with the offer of US$1 million aid shortly after the arrival of medicine and relief supplies from the country.[56][57] Another relief team consisting of 19 medical personnel was sent by South Korea on 7 August.[58] Apart from the aid of South Korean government, SK Group has offered to donate $10 million relief aid, Korean Air has sent 36,000 litres of mineral water with 2,000 blankets and Lotte Group has donated US$100,000.[57][59]" I'm sorry I was somewhat misinformed on the issue. But still the SK government taking responsibility doesn't equate to the company taking responsibility. And China probably did more than SK in this incident, from what I've heard two Chinese relief teams (one from the government and another civilian) already arrived there on July 26th. Whatever the case, imo this incident was one of the decisive factors that pushed Laos towards China, the other being the construction of the highspeed rail. But unfortunately I don't think this hard-won friendship will last very long, cause a lot of Chinese have a similar mindset to uisashi and throway2 and they look down on SE Asians.
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Post by uisashi on Apr 27, 2023 2:48:09 GMT
Nobody in here looks down on SE-Asians? I perceive them neutrally. Why would I look down on them?
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Post by throway2 on Apr 27, 2023 4:13:08 GMT
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 27, 2023 4:53:02 GMT
Get out of my thread chink, I'm serious. I already gave you a last warning and yet you took my words for nothing, it'll get ugly from now on I promise you.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 27, 2023 4:56:33 GMT
Nobody in here looks down on SE-Asians? I perceive them neutrally. Why would I look down on them? You need to shut the F up and get out of my thread as well, I don't wanna see any Sinocentric trolls in my thread. This thread is not about Northern Chinese so stop trolling in my thread, I'm serious.
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Apr 28, 2023 6:35:08 GMT
Ok these two Western Guangdong types do look somewhat similar to your Far South idealized type, but I'm not sure if they are necessarily more "native" than say this guy to that region. Imo I find them more Paniya/Onge while the bottom guy looks closer to a pure Austroasiatic. imgur.com/a/uzukGw6 just look through these pics, there are a shitload of people in here and you can use your judgement For once I agree with MNOPS, bottom doesn't look "Austroasiatic", even if that face morph is found in more genetically "northern" populations like Trans-Himalayans (both Sinitic and non-Sinitic) and Hmong-Mien speakers who are speculated to have ancient Austroasiatic-like admixture. But I agree with your overall point that none of these phenotypes are more "West Guangdong" than the others. Photos of Bahnar peoples, to me they look just like regular SE Asians and don't resemble Mongols at all. The Bahnar women in these photos are a great example of what I mean by "native SE Asians are much lighter skinned and more 'East Asian' looking than you'd expect for their latitude and for stereotypes of what native SE Asians look like. Skin tone portrayals from the Boxer Codex make more sense in this context.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 28, 2023 19:18:00 GMT
Ok these two Western Guangdong types do look somewhat similar to your Far South idealized type, but I'm not sure if they are necessarily more "native" than say this guy to that region. Imo I find them more Paniya/Onge while the bottom guy looks closer to a pure Austroasiatic. imgur.com/a/uzukGw6 just look through these pics, there are a shitload of people in here and you can use your judgement For once I agree with MNOPS, bottom doesn't look "Austroasiatic", even if that face morph is found in more genetically "northern" populations like Trans-Himalayans (both Sinitic and non-Sinitic) and Hmong-Mien speakers who are speculated to have ancient Austroasiatic-like admixture. But I agree with your overall point that none of these phenotypes are more "West Guangdong" than the others. Photos of Bahnar peoples, to me they look just like regular SE Asians and don't resemble Mongols at all. The Bahnar women in these photos are a great example of what I mean by "native SE Asians are much lighter skinned and more 'East Asian' looking than you'd expect for their latitude and for stereotypes of what native SE Asians look like. Skin tone portrayals from the Boxer Codex make more sense in this context. For the student pictures, I agree with you that the bottom one doesn't look like Austroasiatic, but I disagree with you on none of those phenotypes are more Western GD than others. The top two students definitely have more typical phenotypes that fit better in Western GD than the bottom student. The bottom one kind of gives me a Sichuan/Hubei/Chongqing impression and kind of reminds me of the Chongqing soccer player Yang Liyu, and it's quite possible that he is from one of those regions. These Bahnar women just look SE Asian to me, could maybe pass as Southern East Asian, but still look noticeably different from Northern East Asian. And I don't understand what's wrong with being darker, there are some SE Asian women that have a brownish or olive complexion and I find them quite exotic and beautiful. Despite you and I don't share the same opinion on most things, I actually welcome you to post in my thread because you actually read what I wrote, unlike the other two (uisashi and throway2) who keep babbling about their own stuff and keep deviating from topic and most of the times don't read what I wrote at all. From now on I only welcome okarina, utu, and onara to post in my thread, while all the others please stay away from my thread and open your own threads.
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Post by shirvanshah on Apr 29, 2023 1:47:42 GMT
Some recent observations I have; 1. Fujianese, Cantonese and bulk Vietnamese do not look alike. Many Viets look very western shifted while some amount of Cantonese people look "eastern"? Donnie Yen for example tbh doesn't pass as Vietnamese? He's just too distinctively Canto. Interestingly, some Viets and some Xi'an people converge at times. 2. Chinese Thais in Thailand may pass worse than native Thais in Gansu. Chinese Thais are mostly Teochew who are too eastern shifted to pass. Native Thais are sometimes this Tibetoburman pheno, which actually somewhat passes in Northwest China? 1. Fujianese look very eastern that I largely agree. With Cantonese it depends on the region, but overall I think they're more western-shifted than eastern. I think Donnie Yen looks somewhat similar to the former Cantonese soccer player Feng Junyan and both can pass as native Thai. As for Viets and Xi'an people's convergence I haven't really noticed that. Most Shaanxi people still look quite Northern Chinese to me. 2. I don't think native Thais look Gansu at all, typical native Thais such as the world-renowned Muay Thai kickboxer Buakaw Banchamek doesn't look Northwest Chinese at the slightest. Tibeto-Burman pheno isn't that common among native Thais except maybe in the northwest corner of the country bordering Myanmar. 1. Yep. Donnie Yen and Feng Junyan can pass both as local Thai but would pass better in North and North-Central part of Isaan due to those two regions being primarily Tai-Kradai derived. 2. Indeed. Don't think Buakaw can pass anywhere in the Greater China region tbh except maybe among ethnic some Wa and Taiwanese Aborigines. Yup, even in that region, Tibeto-Burman phenotypes are mostly restricted Sino-Tibetan speaking hill tribe minorities than among the local Thais and most other Tai-Kradai speakers. The only exception maybe the Shan/Tai Yai, who might have some input due to living in close vicinity with the Kachin/Jingpo (related to Yi, Lolo) and other Tibeto-Burman ethnic groups.
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Post by uisashi on Apr 29, 2023 6:02:06 GMT
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 29, 2023 12:36:01 GMT
Don't you understand English? You're not welcomed to post in my thread. I just want to show people some genuine phenotypes of Far South Chinese (and to some extent SE Asians), I don't intend it to be a comparison or match-up between the south and the north. So if you wanna post anything about Northern Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Mongols, and other Northern Asians, please open up your own thread and stop deviating my thread. Most Japanese have small or medium eyes, but a lot of them wear heavy make-up to make their eyes look bigger. And the few that do have natural large eyes give me Jomon/Emishi impressions rather than Far South Chinese impressions. Genetically speaking they're quite distinct from FSC and SE Asians. Hope this is the last time that I repeat, get out of my thread.
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Post by shirvanshah on Apr 29, 2023 14:31:33 GMT
1. Fujianese look very eastern that I largely agree. With Cantonese it depends on the region, but overall I think they're more western-shifted than eastern. I think Donnie Yen looks somewhat similar to the former Cantonese soccer player Feng Junyan and both can pass as native Thai. As for Viets and Xi'an people's convergence I haven't really noticed that. Most Shaanxi people still look quite Northern Chinese to me. 2. I don't think native Thais look Gansu at all, typical native Thais such as the world-renowned Muay Thai kickboxer Buakaw Banchamek doesn't look Northwest Chinese at the slightest. Tibeto-Burman pheno isn't that common among native Thais except maybe in the northwest corner of the country bordering Myanmar. Do most Thais even look like Buakaw? In this group of Thai students only one is significantly AASI/Onge-shifted, and not to the extent of Buakaw? The other two honestly can pass in Gansu? A lot of Thais also seem to look like Rodtang Jitmuangnon, who looks like some dark Tibetan? And he is from southern Thailand to boot Realized that you aren't welcome to post in this thread and won't come here anymore. So if you want to reply or ask, you can do it in the other thread and quote me. Will reply to your inquiries there if you have. Not really. Its more complexed and depends on the region of Thailand. For Southern Isaan (where Buakaw is from), yes, his looks are very common. In Central-Eastern and even Southern Thailand, it varies; in many areas with high Austroasiatic blood (from the Mon and Khmer inhabitants), Buakaw's pheno are very prevalent while in other parts of the three areas, his look are much less common as there are huge Chinese descended (probably from Teochew migrations) communities in certain places along with some people with more Tai-Kradai phenotype, who could be descended from historical forced and voluntary migrations from Laos and possibly from Northern-Central Isaan and Northern Thailand. Heck in several parts of South, Central and Eastern Thailand, there a lot of locals with conspicuous South Asian/Indian influences in their phenotypes, which would make Buakaw stand out as well. But yes, Buakaw, should be a great example of the historical Siamese phenotype (Funan, Dvaravati, Lavo and Khmer Empire) prior to the southward migration of the Tais. That student probably have Indian admixture as well besides any AASI/Onge/Negrito type ancestry. Actually he seem to be predominantly Mon-Khmer as Buakaw despite the kid seeming to have slightly lighter skin tone. Yes, Rodtang's phenotype is also very common among Thais. I don't think he looks like a dark Tibetan though. In spite of his eyes, he still look very SE Asian to me.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 29, 2023 16:03:47 GMT
Do most Thais even look like Buakaw? In this group of Thai students only one is significantly AASI/Onge-shifted, and not to the extent of Buakaw? The other two honestly can pass in Gansu? A lot of Thais also seem to look like Rodtang Jitmuangnon, who looks like some dark Tibetan? And he is from southern Thailand to boot Realized that you aren't welcome to post in this thread and won't come here anymore. So if you want to reply or ask, you can do it in the other thread and quote me. Will reply to your inquiries there if you have. Not really. Its more complexed and depends on the region of Thailand. For Southern Isaan (where Buakaw is from), yes, his looks are very common. In Central-Eastern and even Southern Thailand, it varies; in many areas with high Austroasiatic blood (from the Mon and Khmer inhabitants), Buakaw's pheno are very prevalent while in other parts of the three areas, his look are much less common as there are huge Chinese descended (probably from Teochew migrations) communities in certain places along with some people with more Tai-Kradai phenotype, who could be descended from historical forced and voluntary migrations from Laos and possibly from Isaan and Northern Thailand. Heck in several parts of South, Central and Eastern Thailand, there a lot of locals with conspicuous South Asian/Indian influences in their phenotypes, which would make Buakaw stand out as well. But yes, Buakaw, should be a great example of the historical Siamese phenotype (Dvaravati, Lavo and Khmer Empire) prior to the southward migration of the Tais. That student probably have Indian admixture as well besides any AASI/Onge/Negrito type ancestry. Actually he seem to be predominantly Mon-Khmer as Buakaw despite the kid seeming to have slightly lighter skin tone. Yes, Rodtang's phenotype is also very common among Thais. I don't think he looks like a dark Tibetan though. In spite of his eyes, he still look very SE Asian to me. Even his eyes don't look northern, cause Northern Asians usually have upward slant or slant at the inner eye corner whereas downward slant or slant at the outer corner is comparatively rarer. I think downward slant is more common in Far South China and SE Asia, and can also be found among certain West Eurasian populations.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 29, 2023 16:09:55 GMT
Deep inside Chinese love SE Asia but they just don't want to admit it, however their action speaks louder than words.
I heard that the all-time best selling coffee in the Chinese coffee chain Luckin Coffee (the Chinese version of Starbucks) is Coconut Latte. And in China coconut production is limited to Far South China (GX, GD, and especially Hainan) and they probably also import some coconuts from SE Asia, whereas all other areas of China are too cold for coconut trees to grow.
And Sipsong Panna in the Far South corner of China is one of the most popular domestic tourist destinations of the country due to its distinctive Tai Lue culture.
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Post by utuwutu2000 on Apr 30, 2023 2:51:16 GMT
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