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Post by uisashi on Apr 26, 2023 16:05:22 GMT
Have look at the album, it's not cherrypicked because there are thousands of students in there. And they don't look weird at all.
You have a lot of baggage. You automatically assume everyone here is trying to get you or pick a fight with your beloved far south Chinese when none of us care to do that? Engaging in these ridiculous regional wars in the first place is a Tu trait that people in the West don't engage in. Try to be more mature.
All I'm saying is this; there are many ways one could look "Far South Chinese". Imo if it's unfair to them if use a few selected phenos of them; usually some narrow faced Austronesian without notable cheekbones and call that phenotype "real far south", while noting everyone else as a northern migrant, even if it's a native type. Phenotypes in general are not as simple as you think they are. They are oftentimes caused by random mutations and similar features can be expressed over a huge area of territory among unrelated groups even. It's not sinocentric to note that for some reason, many phenotypes in Western East Asia are shared between many groups independent of "direct" admixture.
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Post by utuwutu2000 on Apr 26, 2023 16:15:47 GMT
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Post by throway2 on Apr 26, 2023 16:42:05 GMT
😂 are you blind? How do those two look anything other than central Chinese generic? Your last post was better… that Yang Chenyu guy is probably one of the most common phenotypes on Hunanese zoomers
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Post by uisashi on Apr 26, 2023 16:44:27 GMT
The guy on the top right is a very common West Guangdong/Guangxi pheno. Is he automatically a "nordsinid" because he doesn't fit your idea of what "far south" looks like? And are the bottom two necessarily more "southern" than the top right guy? They simply look more Austronesian while the top right guy looks more Austroasiatic. This guy structurally quite close to your ideal Far South Type, but again can you really say that he looks more "true" South than say this guy? It's just that one guy looks clearly Austronesian while the other one is shifted in an Austroasiatic manner.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 26, 2023 16:47:00 GMT
LOL you think that I'm a fish with only 7 seconds of memory do you?
This is the first time that you ever posted normal teenage Far South Chinese student pictures in this thread, and throway2 is even worse than you he has never posted anything like that. Before you guys cherry-picked and posted a lot of pictures of old, overweight, weird Far South Chinese or sometimes even criminals.
Am I picking up a fight? Nope. Like I mentioned earlier I did not intend this thread to be a comparison or match-up between the north and the south to begin with, I only intended to show people some genuine phenotypes of Far South Chinese. It's you and throway2 who kept derailing the thread with your weird claims and unrelated topics such as Northern Chinese, Northwest Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans. I've hardly mentioned or posted any picture of Northern Chinese/Koreans/Japanese, and the few times that I did was in retaliation of what you guys did, such as the instance when you cherry-picked and posted some pictures of GX criminals I reciprocated with some pictures of Shandong criminals. You guys are the provocateurs, not me. You guys should learn to be more mature.
I've never said that the gracile Austronesian or Daic types ought to represent each and every Far South Chinese, but you cannot deny that they're a quintessential part of Far South Chinese phenotypes. After all, both Austronesian and Daic likely originated from Far South China.
And it's definitely Sinocentric or North China centric to claim that Austroasiatic and Austronesian all look like some sort of Northwest or North Chinese. Nope, the majority of them don't.
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Post by throway2 on Apr 26, 2023 16:47:30 GMT
imgur.com/a/b0znA00Some japanese guy I found in a tinder experiment (I LARPed as a girl and moved my location to Tokyo to look at local phenotypes). How austronesian is he? The truth is that the Austronesian range for Japan is very very broad; many can look super Austronesian
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Post by utuwutu2000 on Apr 26, 2023 16:49:24 GMT
😂 are you blind? How do those two look anything other than central Chinese generic? Your last post was better… that Yang Chenyu guy is probably one of the most common phenotypes on Hunanese zoomers I think you are blind. look better than you northerners. I found them online and you can look for photos of the two of them. I think they have a Southeast Asian style in them
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Post by uisashi on Apr 26, 2023 16:54:49 GMT
Ok these two Western Guangdong types do look somewhat similar to your Far South idealized type, but I'm not sure if they are necessarily more "native" than say this guy to that region. Imo I find them more Paniya/Onge while the bottom guy looks closer to a pure Austroasiatic. imgur.com/a/uzukGw6 just look through these pics, there are a shitload of people in here and you can use your judgement
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Post by mnopsc1b on Apr 26, 2023 17:00:17 GMT
View AttachmentView AttachmentOk these two Western Guangdong types do look somewhat similar to your Far South idealized type, but I'm not sure if they are necessarily more "native" than say this guy to that region. Imo I find them more Paniya/Onge while the bottom guy looks closer to a pure Austroasiatic. View Attachment The bottom guy looks more Sichuan or Hubei-ish whereas the top two guys look more distinctively Far South Chinese as having a Daic or Austronesian influenced appearance. From a phenotype POV, I'd say that the top two guys look more native than the bottom guy. And the bottom guy doesn't look Austroasiatic at all, he looks more Hmong-Mien or Central Chinese. The bottom guy reminds me somewhat of the Chinese soccer player Yang Liyu, who is of Chongqing origin.
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Post by shirvanshah on Apr 26, 2023 17:01:46 GMT
imgur.com/a/b0znA00Some japanese guy I found in a tinder experiment (I LARPed as a girl and moved my location to Tokyo to look at local phenotypes). How austronesian is he? The truth is that the Austronesian range for Japan is very very broad; many can look super Austronesian Looks more Jomon/Ainu/Emishi influenced than Austronesian imo. Not sure how Austronesian but maybe some TW Aborigines can resemble this?
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Post by shirvanshah on Apr 26, 2023 17:03:28 GMT
View AttachmentView AttachmentOk these two Western Guangdong types do look somewhat similar to your Far South idealized type, but I'm not sure if they are necessarily more "native" than say this guy to that region. Imo I find them more Paniya/Onge while the bottom guy looks closer to a pure Austroasiatic. View Attachmentimgur.com/a/uzukGw6 just look through these pics, there are a shitload of people in here and you can use your judgement Top two pass easily in TH as Local Thais (without recent Chinese blood). Left one has a common look you can find in BKK. Right guy even looks sort of Siamese/Central Thai or Southern Thai in the picture. Bottom one pass mainly as Sino-Thai or some Hmong or maybe Akha hill tribe from North.
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Post by uisashi on Apr 26, 2023 17:07:38 GMT
The issue is that again, Austronesians likely have a more "northern" origin that what you'd think. I don't think those two particularly resemble non-onge Taiwanese Atayals for example. Even Filipinos in Luzon tend to have rather shallow set eyes, long midface, close set eyes etc and resemble Wang Leehom moreso than they resemble Austroasiatics. Wang Leehom who is of Jiangnan ancestry, looks extremely Austronesian to me.
The bottom guy looks like a common pheno on Wa people who are pure Austroasiatics. People who look similar are very common in that region and I don't think he looks particularly Sichuan or Hubei, at least not moreso there than in Guangdong. There isn't a single native far south looking pheno, but clearly several.
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Post by shirvanshah on Apr 26, 2023 17:10:18 GMT
Not sure but most Thai-Americans are ethnic Chinese or assimilated culturally Thaified Sino descendants from what I heard.
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Post by shirvanshah on Apr 26, 2023 17:12:38 GMT
Ok an addendum now- looking through images of chiang mai thais, they dont seem to pass well as northwest Han. Laotians and southern Viets seem to pass better (?) I will have to look at southern Thais now Really? Interesting because Chiang Mai Thais actually look like Laotians and Southern Viets in phenotypes (all three groups are genetically primarily Tai-Kradai).
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Post by throway2 on Apr 26, 2023 17:15:14 GMT
The issue is that again, Austronesians likely have a more "northern" origin that what you'd think. I don't think those two particularly resemble non-onge Taiwanese Atayals for example. Even Filipinos in Luzon tend to have rather shallow set eyes, long midface, close set eyes etc and resemble Wang Leehom moreso than they resemble Austroasiatics. Wang Leehom who is of Jiangnan ancestry, looks extremely Austronesian to me. The bottom guy looks like a common pheno on Wa people who are pure Austroasiatics. People who look similar are very common in that region and I don't think he looks particularly Sichuan or Hubei, at least not moreso there than in Guangdong. There isn't a single native far south looking pheno, but clearly several. Well Wa people are somewhat admixed with direct TB, but the thing is that his face is morphologically closer to a lot of Austroasiatic-speakers in general even if his aesthetic is “broadly found in China”. Yep something like this guy is actually fairly common on Filipino-Americans
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