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Post by throway2 on Jul 30, 2022 0:13:18 GMT
Also mnopsc1b if you didnt know, anthrogenica was down because the domain name expired. It took a while but the domain was renewed so you can use it again
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Oct 11, 2022 6:45:49 GMT
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Post by throway2 on Oct 27, 2022 4:41:11 GMT
He has rather close-set eyes which I associate with coastal Austronesians rather than insular SEA
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Post by mnopsc1b on Nov 6, 2022 19:03:39 GMT
He has rather close-set eyes which I associate with coastal Austronesians rather than insular SEA Not true, such appearances are quite common in Guangxi, Vietnam, Thailand, and Cambodia. They aren't just limited to coastal Austronesians. For instance, this Guangxi guy has a very narrow face (even narrower than the guy from Facebook) and also large and close-set eyes, thick bushy eyebrows, and a somewhat darker complexion. And this girl from Guangdong has a similar appearance. I would consider the appearance of both individuals as Daic-influenced.
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Nov 16, 2022 6:06:14 GMT
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Post by throway2 on Nov 16, 2022 20:24:24 GMT
He has rather close-set eyes which I associate with coastal Austronesians rather than insular SEA Not true, such appearances are quite common in Guangxi, Vietnam, Thailand, and Cambodia. They aren't just limited to coastal Austronesians. For instance, this Guangxi guy has a very narrow face (even narrower than the guy from Facebook) and also large and close-set eyes, thick bushy eyebrows, and a somewhat darker complexion. And this girl from Guangdong has a similar appearance. I would consider the appearance of both individuals as Daic-influenced. This is probably because Tai-Kradai populations had something like a coastal Austronesian-like input in their formation. This type of face (close-set eyes, bushy eyebrows, more elongated midface/nose) seems to peak in groups like Taiwanese aborigines and northern Filipino tribals (decreasing in areas with either greater Onge-like input eg. Visayans and southern Filipinos or with admixture with Austroasiatic groups)
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Post by mnopsc1b on Nov 17, 2022 0:56:42 GMT
She indeed looks Daic influenced but I wouldn't say distinctly Daic. I guess she's from the Pearl Delta region (most likely Guangzhou) and I can see some Sinitic influences in her eye region, namely smaller eyes and high-set eyebrows, though her overall facial contour and structure are clearly Daic influenced. You can compare her to this Zhuang girl on Douyin, their eye region is somewhat different, though the facial contour is similar. I'd say that the most Daic-influenced Sinitic subgroup is undoubtedly the Cantonese speakers from Western Guangdong and Guangxi, the Pearl Delta region somewhat less so due to slightly greater Sinitic influences.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Nov 17, 2022 1:19:30 GMT
Not true, such appearances are quite common in Guangxi, Vietnam, Thailand, and Cambodia. They aren't just limited to coastal Austronesians. For instance, this Guangxi guy has a very narrow face (even narrower than the guy from Facebook) and also large and close-set eyes, thick bushy eyebrows, and a somewhat darker complexion. And this girl from Guangdong has a similar appearance. I would consider the appearance of both individuals as Daic-influenced. This is probably because Tai-Kradai populations had something like a coastal Austronesian-like input in their formation. This type of face (close-set eyes, bushy eyebrows, more elongated midface/nose) seems to peak in groups like Taiwanese aborigines and northern Filipino tribals (decreasing in areas with either greater Onge-like input eg. Visayans and southern Filipinos or with admixture with Austroasiatic groups) Yes Tai-Kradai populations have some Austronesian input that's true, but they also have Austroasiatic-like input. Austronesian and Austroasiatic aren't as different as what you like to assume, in fact Coastal and Inland Southern East Asians share a common ancestor only about 16 kya, and that's very recent in terms of human evolution. Similar appearances can also be found among Austroasiatic peoples, for instance this ethnic Wa girl from Yunnan And Onge peoples have such faces too And I remember a few months ago you were saying that Austronesians are robust and have wide features, and now you're suggesting they're gracile. You have contradicted yourself, LOL.
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Post by throway2 on Nov 17, 2022 1:39:03 GMT
This is probably because Tai-Kradai populations had something like a coastal Austronesian-like input in their formation. This type of face (close-set eyes, bushy eyebrows, more elongated midface/nose) seems to peak in groups like Taiwanese aborigines and northern Filipino tribals (decreasing in areas with either greater Onge-like input eg. Visayans and southern Filipinos or with admixture with Austroasiatic groups) And I remember a few months ago you were saying that Austronesians are robust and have wide features, and now you're suggesting they're gracile. You have contradicted yourself, LOL. They are physically robust + wide and have large skull bones and jaws, even if their eyes are big
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Post by mnopsc1b on Nov 17, 2022 1:44:38 GMT
And I remember a few months ago you were saying that Austronesians are robust and have wide features, and now you're suggesting they're gracile. You have contradicted yourself, LOL. They are physically robust + wide and have large skull bones and jaws, even if their eyes are big But earlier you said close-set eyes and elongated narrow face are Austronesian features, you contradicted yourself again
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Post by uisashi on Nov 17, 2022 1:47:55 GMT
Ok so robustness imo is mostly lifestyle/diet related factors. Many Asian populations this generation have gone through different growth patterns.
I think north Austronesians are oftentimes closeset eyes + low prog + long face. Their features might build the base to what is known as "NEA".
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Post by throway2 on Nov 17, 2022 1:48:25 GMT
This is probably because Tai-Kradai populations had something like a coastal Austronesian-like input in their formation. This type of face (close-set eyes, bushy eyebrows, more elongated midface/nose) seems to peak in groups like Taiwanese aborigines and northern Filipino tribals (decreasing in areas with either greater Onge-like input eg. Visayans and southern Filipinos or with admixture with Austroasiatic groups) Yes Tai-Kradai populations have some Austronesian input that's true, but they also have Austroasiatic-like input. Austronesian and Austroasiatic aren't as different as what you like to assume, in fact Coastal and Inland Southern East Asians share a common ancestor only about 16 kya, and that's very recent in terms of human evolution. Similar appearances can also be found among Austroasiatic peoples, for instance this ethnic Wa girl from Yunnan And Onge peoples have such faces too And I remember a few months ago you were saying that Austronesians are robust and have wide features, and now you're suggesting they're gracile. You have contradicted yourself, LOL. On that Wa girl- the rate of such features in Wa is somewhat lower. Also, sometimes it can be attributed to AASI-like input. Also, the majority of East Asians, even up to Nenets, have morphological similarities to Onges. In fact, Austronesians have lower resemblance to Onges than most groups. This is made more obvious when you turn their faces to the side- mouth/nose shapes can be quite differing. I noticed a lot of Onge-like types in Hebei/Beijing actually. www.arcticcentre.org/loader.aspx?id=b97c450f-3e0d-4950-97ce-e04077ca1b5bThis Nenets woman looks almost the same as that Onge man other than coloration and eyelid. In fact, I think Nenets resemble Onge more than Austronesians do, at least core ones. img2.baikalnatu.re/thumbnails/images/ea/6d/672ac0549645580c6ed1e3923e67.jpg (two Nenets girls) external-preview.redd.it/h2h0TWifFDYotSgrpeOwT98dopgIAcjLhgMLux2Egmw.jpg?auto=webp&s=83cab86b89cf535ac4c17d75824c1969f1e5eac0 (two Onge girls) Note how both have this certain roundness + similar nose/mouth shape when viewed from 3D angles i.imgur.com/M5zEP08.pngMeanwhile, these two TW aboriginal girls look like aliens compared to them
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Post by mnopsc1b on Nov 17, 2022 1:55:55 GMT
Yes Tai-Kradai populations have some Austronesian input that's true, but they also have Austroasiatic-like input. Austronesian and Austroasiatic aren't as different as what you like to assume, in fact Coastal and Inland Southern East Asians share a common ancestor only about 16 kya, and that's very recent in terms of human evolution. Similar appearances can also be found among Austroasiatic peoples, for instance this ethnic Wa girl from Yunnan And Onge peoples have such faces too And I remember a few months ago you were saying that Austronesians are robust and have wide features, and now you're suggesting they're gracile. You have contradicted yourself, LOL. On that Wa girl- the rate of such features in Wa is somewhat lower. Also, sometimes it can be attributed to AASI-like input. Also, the majority of East Asians, even up to Nenets, have morphological similarities to Onges. In fact, Austronesians have lower resemblance to Onges than most groups. This is made more obvious when you turn their faces to the side- mouth/nose shapes can be quite differing. I noticed a lot of Onge-like types in Hebei/Beijing actually. www.arcticcentre.org/loader.aspx?id=b97c450f-3e0d-4950-97ce-e04077ca1b5bThis Nenets woman looks almost the same as that Onge man other than coloration and eyelid. In fact, I think Nenets resemble Onge more than Austronesians do, at least core ones. img2.baikalnatu.re/thumbnails/images/ea/6d/672ac0549645580c6ed1e3923e67.jpg (two Nenets girls) external-preview.redd.it/h2h0TWifFDYotSgrpeOwT98dopgIAcjLhgMLux2Egmw.jpg?auto=webp&s=83cab86b89cf535ac4c17d75824c1969f1e5eac0 (two Onge girls) Note how both have this certain roundness + similar nose/mouth shape when viewed from 3D angles i.imgur.com/M5zEP08.pngMeanwhile, these two TW aboriginal girls look like aliens compared to them Entering the realm of pseudo-science right now, you have nothing to prove what you said. Basically, what you and uisashi are saying is that Austronesians are different from the rest and are closest to Northeast Asians whereas the rest of the southern peoples are fugly. This is precisely the reason why I don't want to debate with Internet Northerners cause you guys don't understand what objectivity means and always make claims out of thin air. Enough said, I'll ignore your comments from now on.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Nov 17, 2022 1:58:06 GMT
Ok so robustness imo is mostly lifestyle/diet related factors. Many Asian populations this generation have gone through different growth patterns. I think north Austronesians are oftentimes closeset eyes + low prog + long face. Their features might build the base to what is known as "NEA". Believe in what you want, I'll also ignore you from now on.
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Post by throway2 on Nov 17, 2022 2:02:05 GMT
Entering the realm of pseudo-science right now, you have nothing to prove what you said. Basically, what you and uisashi are saying is that Austronesians are different from the rest and are closest to Northeast Asians whereas the rest of the southern peoples are fugly. This is precisely the reason why I don't want to debate with Internet Northerners cause you guys don't understand what objectivity means and always make claims out of thin air. Enough said, I'll ignore your comments from now on. North and South are made-up concepts. All East Asians are descended from something fundamentally Onge-like. There are Onge-like peoples in both the "North" and "South". Some groups developed more differential features than others as a result of early agricultural adoption, Austronesians included. "Northeast Asians" are btw southern in the grand scheme of things. It is they who look like Austronesians, rather than the other way around.
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