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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jul 12, 2022 5:17:23 GMT
I don't think Austronesians are low fat at all either... In fact I'd say Filipino Americans are consistently among the chubbiest/high fat groups of Asian-Americans. uisashi 's informal 2020 survey showed that overseas Filipinos have higher weight/height ratios relative to Japanese and Vietnamese (link doesn't work anymore for some reason: rlsg.xyz/data/2020/06/26/western-raised-asian-survey.html)Your average overseas Filipino is still going to be shorter and lighter than your average overseas Korean because heat-adapted East Asian groups are physically smaller than non-heat-adapted East Asian groups. But it's definitely more common to see overweight or heavier set Filipinos in the US than any other major East/Southeast Asian group. It's debatable how much of this is genetic vs environmental vs epigenetic, but the statistics do not lie. Haven't seen any "South Asian" looking people in this video (which I haven't seen in full), but the tall young man at 4:15 might be an example of a more Austroasiatic looking type that isn't stereotypically associated with Lingnan Han (certainly not Pearl River Delta Han)?
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 13, 2022 2:36:46 GMT
I don't think Austronesians are low fat at all either... In fact I'd say Filipino Americans are consistently among the chubbiest/high fat groups of Asian-Americans. uisashi 's informal 2020 survey showed that overseas Filipinos have higher weight/height ratios relative to Japanese and Vietnamese (link doesn't work anymore for some reason: rlsg.xyz/data/2020/06/26/western-raised-asian-survey.html)Your average overseas Filipino is still going to be shorter and lighter than your average overseas Korean because heat-adapted East Asian groups are physically smaller than non-heat-adapted East Asian groups. But it's definitely more common to see overweight or heavier set Filipinos in the US than any other major East/Southeast Asian group. It's debatable how much of this is genetic vs environmental vs epigenetic, but the statistics do not lie. I've seen many Filipinos in Canada as well and most of them are of average size and are quite slender and fit. I think it has more to do with lifestyle rather than genes.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 13, 2022 2:44:58 GMT
And why do people assume that there's only one type of Austronesian or that all Austronesians ought to look stocky and robust? The Austronesian family is around 6 to 7 thousand years old according to estimates, which is at least as old as Sino-Tibetan and Austroasiatic, if not older. If there can be many types of Sino-Tibetan peoples and Austroasiatic peoples, then why can't there be different types of Austronesians?
For me I think there should be at least 2 groups of Austronesians based on physical features, the Eastern Austronesians and the Western Austronesians. The Eastern Austronesians are those from Taiwan, parts of Philippines, and Micronesians and Polynesians. They tend to be taller and more robust. Western Austronesians are those from Far South China (they eventually evolved into Daic), Indochina (Chams), and the western parts of Malaysia and Indonesia. They tend to be more slender.
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Post by uisashi on Jul 13, 2022 9:00:28 GMT
Are tall groups generally less robust than shorter groups? Taiwan Aborigines and Filipinos seem short compared to e.g Thais, who might be Korean height when they nutritionmax.
Koreans, who are 3-4cm shorter than northern Han in potential, seem to be wider in build and the Japanese who are 3-4cm shorter than Koreans, might be the widest East Asian proportionally speaking.
In Europe, the taller groups are generally more narrow and slimmer than the shorter groups.
I think there is a stereotype in China that Sichuanese people are short, but part of this is probably poverty and low vitamin D. Urban Chengdu zoomers are probably 5'9 and Daics might end up decent height.
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Post by throway2 on Jul 13, 2022 15:18:06 GMT
Are tall groups generally less robust than shorter groups? Taiwan Aborigines and Filipinos seem short compared to e.g Thais, who might be Korean height when they nutritionmax. Koreans, who are 3-4cm shorter than northern Han in potential, seem to be wider in build and the Japanese who are 3-4cm shorter than Koreans, might be the widest East Asian proportionally speaking. In Europe, the taller groups are generally more narrow and slimmer than the shorter groups. I think there is a stereotype in China that Sichuanese people are short, but part of this is probably poverty and low vitamin D. Urban Chengdu zoomers are probably 5'9 and Daics might end up decent height. For some reason that seems to be the case. Medium height groups usually seem medium in width as well It's like most of the time, you have to "choose" a certain balance of "stats". Eg. you can choose to maximize height or width, but not both This goes for other physical characteristics- eg. some groups are slow twitch (might be good at running long-distance/long hunts, etc.) and others are fast twitch (might be good at lifting objects, throwing things, etc.) However, for some reason, stereotypes often attribute "tall" and "wide" and "strong" together. For example, northern Europeans are taller, thinner, and less explosive (so proportionally less strong, better endurance) compared to southern Europeans, but people often stereotype them as a tall + wide + strong "Viking" like image On the population level, being "big and tall" or "short and skinny" coupled actually seems rare
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Post by okarinaofsteiner on Jul 13, 2022 17:28:49 GMT
uisashi 's informal 2020 survey showed that overseas Filipinos have higher weight/height ratios relative to Japanese and Vietnamese (link doesn't work anymore for some reason: rlsg.xyz/data/2020/06/26/western-raised-asian-survey.html)Your average overseas Filipino is still going to be shorter and lighter than your average overseas Korean because heat-adapted East Asian groups are physically smaller than non-heat-adapted East Asian groups. But it's definitely more common to see overweight or heavier set Filipinos in the US than any other major East/Southeast Asian group. It's debatable how much of this is genetic vs environmental vs epigenetic, but the statistics do not lie. I've seen many Filipinos in Canada as well and most of them are of average size and are quite slender and fit. I think it has more to do with lifestyle rather than genes. I also know quite a few “slender and fit” 1.5 gen and 2nd gen Filipino Americans. But the frequency of heavier set people among Fil-Ams I’ve met IRL (which isn’t the same thing as being overweight! Although more of them are overweight looking) is higher than that of every other major East/Southeast Asian group. I think there is a stereotype in China that Sichuanese people are short, but part of this is probably poverty and low vitamin D. Urban Chengdu zoomers are probably 5'9 and Daics might end up decent height. Sichuanese are almost certainly genetically shorter than Northern Chinese in the same sense Guangdong people are, but I agree with your point on poverty and low UV levels limiting realized height. Anecdotally, my cousin’s spouse from Chengdu is around 6’ or possibly a little taller.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 18, 2022 0:26:09 GMT
A Zhuang girl wearing traditional Zhuang costume at her graduation ceremony in Durham university in Britain. I think she has a typical Tai-Kradai / Guangxi appearance.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 18, 2022 0:34:12 GMT
Are tall groups generally less robust than shorter groups? Taiwan Aborigines and Filipinos seem short compared to e.g Thais, who might be Korean height when they nutritionmax. Koreans, who are 3-4cm shorter than northern Han in potential, seem to be wider in build and the Japanese who are 3-4cm shorter than Koreans, might be the widest East Asian proportionally speaking. In Europe, the taller groups are generally more narrow and slimmer than the shorter groups. I think there is a stereotype in China that Sichuanese people are short, but part of this is probably poverty and low vitamin D. Urban Chengdu zoomers are probably 5'9 and Daics might end up decent height. For some reason that seems to be the case. Medium height groups usually seem medium in width as well It's like most of the time, you have to "choose" a certain balance of "stats". Eg. you can choose to maximize height or width, but not both This goes for other physical characteristics- eg. some groups are slow twitch (might be good at running long-distance/long hunts, etc.) and others are fast twitch (might be good at lifting objects, throwing things, etc.) However, for some reason, stereotypes often attribute "tall" and "wide" and "strong" together. For example, northern Europeans are taller, thinner, and less explosive (so proportionally less strong, better endurance) compared to southern Europeans, but people often stereotype them as a tall + wide + strong "Viking" like image On the population level, being "big and tall" or "short and skinny" coupled actually seems rare I really don't think there exists a inversely proportionate correlation between height and the level of robustness, it's not necessarily the case that the taller a person is the less robust he or she will be. There're a lot of variations in terms of body types. For instance, many Northern Chinese are tall and robust, whereas a lot of Far South Chinese are short and gracile. Tall and robust, tall and gracile, short and robust, short and gracile, all 4 types exist.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 18, 2022 0:48:23 GMT
Are tall groups generally less robust than shorter groups? Taiwan Aborigines and Filipinos seem short compared to e.g Thais, who might be Korean height when they nutritionmax. Koreans, who are 3-4cm shorter than northern Han in potential, seem to be wider in build and the Japanese who are 3-4cm shorter than Koreans, might be the widest East Asian proportionally speaking. In Europe, the taller groups are generally more narrow and slimmer than the shorter groups. I think there is a stereotype in China that Sichuanese people are short, but part of this is probably poverty and low vitamin D. Urban Chengdu zoomers are probably 5'9 and Daics might end up decent height. I don't have data on the average height of TW aborigines, but Thai men's average height is around 168 to 170 cm if I remember correctly, which makes them similar to Far South and Southwest Chinese. And Northern Chinese aren't 3-4 cm taller than Koreans. The average height of the tallest age group of Northern Chinese men is around 174 or 175 cm, whereas South Korean men average around 173 cm, so the two are rather similar.
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Post by uisashi on Jul 18, 2022 2:24:21 GMT
She looks similar to the ones I posted prior.
I think your height stats are outdated. Young Thais are 172+ now, Koreans are 174+ and heightmaxxed Nhan will end up around 178.
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Post by throway2 on Jul 19, 2022 23:35:06 GMT
mnopsc1bRandom question, but I would like to know the following- 1) were you made to sleep flat on the back of your head as an infant? How common was this practice in Beijing during your generation? 2) Do you have a flat back of head?
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 20, 2022 2:24:49 GMT
mnopsc1b Random question, but I would like to know the following- 1) were you made to sleep flat on the back of your head as an infant? How common was this practice in Beijing during your generation? 2) Do you have a flat back of head? Thanks for bringing that up, I almost forgot about it, that's one of the major physical differences between Northern Chinese and South Chinese. Sometimes you don't even have to look for other features, you can just tell who is northerner by simply looking at his or her back of the head. The ones with flat back heads are most likely northerners. To answer your questions, yes I was made to sleep flat on the back of my head as an infant by my maternal grandparents (who were of Hebei origin), cause when I was small my parents were busing working so they didn't have time to look after me, and my paternal grandparents (who were of Sichuan origin) didn't want to look after me, that's why I ended up at the home of my maternal grandparents and my back head had been made flat by them. I couldn't tell exactly how common was it during my generation (I was born in the early 90's), but according to my observations it was still rather common at that time. The flat back of the head is the feature that I dislike the most about myself. I really wish that I could have a round back head like the southerners and the westerners. I remember once I jokingly told one of my Guangxi friends (she was very pretty and had typical FSC / SE Asian features) that I envy her head shape because my back head is flat, she thanked me at first, but then removed me from her WeChat. It seems that some southern girls really dislike guys with such features. I really hope that such barbaric practice can be stopped. It's as disgusting and backward as foot-binding. If foot-binding had been exterminated due to the collective effort of Chinese people and government, then why can't infant head deformation be stopped?
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Post by uisashi on Jul 20, 2022 11:30:14 GMT
I don't think back of head matters that much (unless you are super flat, which I doubt you are).
Also, I'm wondering; to what extent does sleeping on your head cause Brachy? I know some Chinese (albeit southern Han) who practiced that as kids but remained Meso/Doli.
Some amount of millenial north Chinese do have this round flat phenotype, but I'm not sure what part of that is caused by other lifestyle factors. In general, I perceive Chinese people born in the early 90s as rather robust, which seems to correlate with a range of other features which possibly include brachy.
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Post by throway2 on Jul 21, 2022 2:15:23 GMT
www.fyxzz.cn/CN/10.12116/j.issn.1004-mnopsc1bI just found this paper which reports ~46% O1/O-F265 in Guangxi Han (n = 65, though subclades not reported it looks like from figure 1 that GX Han O1 does not cluster separately from ethnic minority O1)
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 22, 2022 1:25:15 GMT
www.fyxzz.cn/CN/10.12116/j.issn.1004-mnopsc1b I just found this paper which reports ~46% O1/O-F265 in Guangxi Han (n = 65, though subclades not reported it looks like from figure 1 that GX Han O1 does not cluster separately from ethnic minority O1) Well, from what I know, GX "Han" is marked by a high percentage of O1b1a1a1-M95 subclades, the highest out of all Han. And unsurprisingly M95 subclades are also the dominant lineages among Tai-Kradai peoples and SE Asians. GX "Han" also have some rare clades that are not found or rarely found among other Han, but are shared with TK and SE Asians, such as D-F1070, C1b-B65, and F2-M427.
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