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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 9, 2022 18:02:11 GMT
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 9, 2022 18:13:02 GMT
I think most of us have a good idea of what Cantonese people look like...ones I see are split into several types. 1. Some narrow faced sharp nosed Tai pheno, usually with low facial fat and thin skin, possibly Tibetoburman influenced. 2. This wide short face type with wide cheekbones, looks similar to Khmer Viets. 3. Some Hunan looking type with round face. 4. Some South Asian shifted pheno. What is this Indian-like pheno you speak of? Edward Leung from CantoMando kind of fits the bill although I think he's more of your type 1 (the Andy Lau look) It's hard to find good examples of 1 and 4 among famous people Actor Brandon Soo Hoo Taylor Chan from Wong Fu Productions Kira Omans, Chinese adoptee University professor Suzie Pun Politician Gary Locke, former US ambassador to China Just watch MNOPS "no true Scotsman" this group of Taishanese Chinese Americans even though they're all very unmistakeably Daic-influenced looks wise and representative looking of the more Daic-shifted spectrum of Guangdong (Guangxi might be a different story) Excellent pictures and video, I think now you're finally getting the gist of how typical Cantonese pheno is supposed to look like, bravo. And yes a lot of these individuals indeed look Daic-shifted or SE Asian-influenced. But I have to add that Taishan (or Toisan in Cantonese) is still quite close to the Pearl River Delta, those Canto speakers from Zhaoqing, Yunfu, and Maoming should be even more similar to Guangxi.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 9, 2022 18:18:12 GMT
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Post by throway2 on Jul 9, 2022 20:49:20 GMT
mnopsc1bThose Shandong convicts kind of are less robust in the midface and jaw compared to Uisashi's Guangxi convicts... and as expected most of them do not look that Mongol passing or Mongol approximate lol And no one said being narrow or gracile was necessarily a good thing or that it made you "handsome and superior"...
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 9, 2022 21:06:10 GMT
mnopsc1b Those Shandong convicts kind of are less robust in the midface and jaw compared to Uisashi's Guangxi convicts... and as expected most of them do not look that Mongol passing or Mongol approximate lol And no one said being narrow or gracile was necessarily a good thing or that it made you "handsome and superior"... Yeah, continue to lie and doesn't want to face the truth, typical behavior from online Northern Chinese. Several of them have quite wide faces indicating the underlying skull structure isn't narrow or gracile at all. However, their faces do seem to be more meaty than the Guangxi convicts (could be due to their weight or body fat), which sort of cover up their bone structures. And a lot of them do look quite northern and Mongol-passing. And it's true that you didn't say it out loud, but I can definitely sense the bloated superiority complex of certain online Northern Chinese, particularly when talking about matters related to FSC and SE Asians.
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Post by throway2 on Jul 9, 2022 21:35:58 GMT
Yeah, continue to lie and doesn't want to face the truth, typical behavior from online Northern Chinese. Several of them have quite wide faces indicating the underlying skull structure isn't narrow or gracile at all. However, their faces do seem to be more meaty than the Guangxi convicts (could be due to their weight or body fat), which sort of cover up their bone structures. And a lot of them do look quite northern and Mongol-passing. And it's true that you didn't say it out loud, but I can definitely sense the bloated superiority complex of certain online Northern Chinese, particularly when talking about matters related to FSC and SE Asians. 1) I'd wager that I'm probably both more genetically southern than you, and have seen more actual Cantonese people than you... 2) I do not think you know what actual young Mongols look like. I might send an album of them sometime 3) Let me ask you a question- why exactly do you want far south Chinese to be "gracile" so much? Is it because modern Chinese beauty standards are biased towards gracile people (esp. on females)? Is it because you personally prefer more gracile faces (esp. on females)?
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 9, 2022 21:43:00 GMT
Yeah, continue to lie and doesn't want to face the truth, typical behavior from online Northern Chinese. Several of them have quite wide faces indicating the underlying skull structure isn't narrow or gracile at all. However, their faces do seem to be more meaty than the Guangxi convicts (could be due to their weight or body fat), which sort of cover up their bone structures. And a lot of them do look quite northern and Mongol-passing. And it's true that you didn't say it out loud, but I can definitely sense the bloated superiority complex of certain online Northern Chinese, particularly when talking about matters related to FSC and SE Asians. 1) I'd wager that I'm probably both more genetically southern than you, and have seen more actual Cantonese people than you... 2) I do not think you know what actual young Mongols look like. I might send an album of them sometime 3) Let me ask you a question- why exactly do you want far south Chinese to be "gracile" so much? Is it because modern Chinese beauty standards are biased towards gracile people (esp. on females)? Is it because you personally prefer more gracile faces (esp. on females)? 1) I doubt that. And it could be the case that you might have seen more Cantonese Americans or HK Cantonese than me, but I've definitely seen more mainland Cantonese and Far South Chinese than you. 2) I've seen many videos of Mongols on Youtube, and I'm fairly certain that a lot of them look quite similar to Northern Chinese and vice versa. 3) I don't want them to be gracile, but they're indeed generally more gracile than Northern and Central Chinese and I have to tell the truth to people. It has nothing to do with being pretty or being feminine, though I do admit that I'm more attracted to FSC women and Daic women than to Northern Chinese women. And let me ask the same question to you and uisashi, why exactly do you guys want Northern Chinese to be "narrow and gracile" so much? And why exactly do you guys avoid Mongols so much and don't want to admit that there're significant overlaps between Mongols and Northern Chinese?
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Post by uisashi on Jul 9, 2022 22:23:02 GMT
I don't think northern Chinese are particularly gracile (I think robust/gracile is largely lifestyle anyways). But I'm hesitant to say robustness is a big difference between fsc and northerners with the exception of maybe northerner faces being a bit bigger, but again, we don't know if that will apply given similar feeding and lifestyle.
I think a large proportion of modern day urban north china kids are clearly very unhealthy with a divergent lifestyle to their predecessors, so I don't think their types can be seen as representative.
I think some Mongols overlap with northern Chinese (maybe not Shandong, which is clearly Austronesian shifted, but more Hebei/Shanxi). I don't think Mongols are less attractive; they in fact might fit conventional EA beauty standards the most, as they have long thin legs, ovular features and their eyes are probably larger than bulk Nhan imo. I just don't find them close enough looking to group them together.
The Guangxi student pics I posted are from a small town in SW Guangxi. I personally doubt many are from other regions and their features look quite regional to me for the most part.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 9, 2022 22:51:34 GMT
I don't think northern Chinese are particularly gracile (I think robust/gracile is largely lifestyle anyways). But I'm hesitant to say robustness is a big difference between fsc and northerners with the exception of maybe northerner faces being a bit bigger, but again, we don't know if that will apply given similar feeding and lifestyle. I think a large proportion of modern day urban north china kids are clearly very unhealthy with a divergent lifestyle to their predecessors, so I don't think their types can be seen as representative. I think some Mongols overlap with northern Chinese (maybe not Shandong, which is clearly Austronesian shifted, but more Hebei/Shanxi). I don't think Mongols are less attractive; they in fact might fit conventional EA beauty standards the most, as they have long thin legs, ovular features and their eyes are probably larger than bulk Nhan imo. I just don't find them close enough looking to group them together. The Guangxi student pics I posted are from a small town in SW Guangxi. I personally doubt many are from other regions and their features look quite regional to me for the most part. Northern Chinese are definitely more robust or bigger-framed compared to FSC, there's no point of contention about that. To determine whether a person is robust or gracile you cannot just look at the face alone you also have to look at their body proportions, and FSC would often have thinner and longer limbs in proportionate to their body compared to Northern Chinese, and they're generally thinner than Northern Chinese as well. Shandong isn't Austronesian shifted at all, you probably haven't seen enough Austronesians. The Shandong convicts don't give me a bit of Austronesian or SE Asian vibe, instead they all look very northern and Mongol-passing. Mongols fit traditional EA beauty standards that I largely agree, especially their thin and narrow eyes which were a typical feature in traditional Sinitic art. However I don't think they have long thin legs, and neither do they have large eyes; I think their eye size is similar to bulk Northern Han. Well, with group pictures you never know and can never prove it, unless you're the one who took those pics and knows everybody in the group, but you clearly aren't.
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Post by throway2 on Jul 9, 2022 23:25:59 GMT
Although Shandong people look mostly Sinitic, many do have structural similarities with various Austronesians. This becomes obvious upon close inspection. imgur.com/a/87APyEOFor example, let's look at this guy. He looks very Shandong or Hebei. Normally, you'd look at him and think "no way he's Austronesian-influenced." But he actually strongly resembles this Indonesian girl (thumbnail and stopped). You can also go watch the Taiwanese aboriginal boomer video I sent earlier in this thread- some amount of them may facially resemble certain Shandong people. Coastal Shandong people also seem to have noticeably thicker forearms and straighter shoulders than inland northern Han which is probably due to Austronesian influence.
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 10, 2022 0:48:07 GMT
Although Shandong people look mostly Sinitic, many do have structural similarities with various Austronesians. This becomes obvious upon close inspection. imgur.com/a/87APyEOFor example, let's look at this guy. He looks very Shandong or Hebei. Normally, you'd look at him and think "no way he's Austronesian-influenced." But he actually strongly resembles this Indonesian girl (thumbnail and stopped). You can also go watch the Taiwanese aboriginal boomer video I sent earlier in this thread- some amount of them may facially resemble certain Shandong people. Coastal Shandong people also seem to have noticeably thicker forearms and straighter shoulders than inland northern Han which is probably due to Austronesian influence. Not at all. The girl still looks noticeably more southern than the Northern Chinese actor. And I've been to coastal Shandong before, I definitely don't feel the locals look more Austronesian or SE Asian compared to the rest of Northern Chinese. And I don't think they're significantly more robust compared to other Northern Hans. And apart from Polynesians (who are heavily mixed with Melanesians), most other Austronesian groups aren't that robust.
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Post by uisashi on Jul 10, 2022 0:55:04 GMT
Are Polynesians even more robust than other Austronesians, or just a bit taller?
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Post by mnopsc1b on Jul 10, 2022 0:58:17 GMT
Are Polynesians even more robust than other Austronesians, or just a bit taller? From my impressions they're both taller and more robust. Whereas the Austronesians in insular SE Asia have body proportions that are similar to Daic and Austroasiatic.
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Post by throway2 on Jul 10, 2022 1:03:02 GMT
Are Polynesians even more robust than other Austronesians, or just a bit taller? From my impressions they're both taller and more robust. Whereas the Austronesians in insular SE Asia have body proportions that are similar to Daic and Austroasiatic. Not really... (reposting some videos I posted earlier in the thread) Look at the body types/proportions of these Filipino-Americans... their limbs are very thick in reality These Taiwanese aboriginal boomers are consistently wide and thick-limbed
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Post by throway2 on Jul 10, 2022 1:14:15 GMT
Are Polynesians even more robust than other Austronesians, or just a bit taller? Melanesians are thinner than Austronesians, so it doesn't make sense that Polynesians would be more widely built than others. Polynesians eat more than others (who are often still malnourished) and workout a lot, so they seem big. But in reality, the proportion of genuinely lanky people they have is probably above average for Austronesians.
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