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Post by eldertree on Aug 27, 2017 9:34:49 GMT
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Post by defiancexyzz on Aug 27, 2017 9:44:35 GMT
Good point. They also have the common enemy paradigm. I've seen some Defense forums where Greeks were largely supportive towards China, presumably because they hated the Turks. A little bit of reading on theapricity and I feel like most Europeans like China. In reality, I feel that of all Europeans, Serbs and Ukrainians like China best. Or at least I get along the best with them on a geopolitical/national level. Person to person, I feel closest to Dutch, Irish, Scots, Finns, Hungarians and Balkanites ironically enough. |
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Post by eldertree on Aug 27, 2017 10:18:32 GMT
Good point. They also have the common enemy paradigm. I've seen some Defense forums where Greeks were largely supportive towards China, presumably because they hated the Turks. A little bit of reading on theapricity and I feel like most Europeans like China. In reality, I feel that of all Europeans, Serbs and Ukrainians like China best. Or at least I get along the best with them on a geopolitical/national level. Person to person, I feel closest to Dutch, Irish, Scots, Finns, Hungarians and Balkanites ironically enough. Europeans are less hostile toward China on average, and are less likely to spout racist crap in front of your face (unless they are drunk or are the zero inhibitions type). Their gov campaigns are not about an imminent Chinese threat or whatever, unlike America, so that's probably a big factor. Still I think having a sense of racial superiority is attributed to a post-colonialist world where remnants of Western hierarchy and power structures remain. Actually in Western media it's readily apparent. In Europe, the "danger" is Islam and ISIS rather than China. |
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Post by foheadDynasty on Aug 27, 2017 10:56:32 GMT
The paradigm of "we are civilization creators" also groups them together. China with many philosophies of which Confucianism is the most popular and Greece also with its assortment of philosophies of which Socrates stands out as being classical.
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Post by eldertree on Aug 27, 2017 14:22:26 GMT
The paradigm of "we are civilization creators" also groups them together. China with many philosophies of which Confucianism is the most popular and Greece also with its assortment of philosophies of which Socrates stands out as being classical. There was an Ancient Civilisations forum held earlier this year which China and Greece are part of. Other countries include Egypt, Bolivia, India, Iraq, Iran, Italy, Mexico and Peru which represent ancient civilizations such as the Egyptian, the Roman, the Persian, the Chinese, the Mesopotamian, the Mayas, the Incas, and those of the Indus Valley. So yes I think China empathises with Greece because it's a country which was one of the original great culture creators but now is stuck in an unfortunate situation economically and people snatch it's heritage. Like the Elgin Marbles which are a national treasure of Greece but are now in London. So I think China sees that and are like OMG US TOO, they took are shit too. But I would say it's conflicting for Greeks as they don't really know if they are "Western" or not. The power and gold standard of Westerness has already been handed over to Nords, Anglos and Germanics and such forth. So Anglos / Germanics etc celebrate Greek culture (especially architecture) and things like olive oil as their own heritage or as a larger umbrella of "Western" refined tastes, but then they slap Greeks in the face and ostracise them for not being "truly" White Westerners.   greece.greekreporter.com/2017/04/19/athens-prepares-to-host-10-countries-for-forum-of-ancient-civilizations-on-april-24/news.cgtn.com/news/3d597a4e35557a4d/share_p.htmlElgin Marbles: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Marbles |
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Post by defiancexyzz on Aug 27, 2017 14:44:22 GMT
Europeans are less hostile toward China on average, and are less likely to spout racist crap in front of your face (unless they are drunk or are the zero inhibitions type). Their gov campaigns are not about an imminent Chinese threat or whatever, unlike America, so that's probably a big factor. Still I think having a sense of racial superiority is attributed to a post-colonialist world where remnants of Western hierarchy and power structures remain. Actually in Western media it's readily apparent. In Europe, the "danger" is Islam and ISIS rather than China. I've noticed this too. Genuine European natives (with perhaps the exception of Turkey or the UK), such as Icelandics in Iceland, Croatians in Croatia, Dutch in the Netherlands, etc. are definitely less likely to pull that crap that's often seen in America. I find most are genuinely curious about China and most have no real animosity towards us (like you said, Muslims are a different story and understandably so). In fact, even in the UK racist attitudes seem more reflected by the so called expat groups and a certain category of expats at that. I find the most hostile groups of Europeans tend to be European emigrants living in other European countries (e.g. Russians in Spain) or those of mixed heritage (similar to Americans). Either way, I find myself more empathetic with Europeans on a cultural level and notice that they're generally very respectful, cultured people. Of course, it all boils down to education and Europeans, particularly Scandinavians have some world class education systems that are worth learning from: |
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Post by defiancexyzz on Aug 27, 2017 14:52:47 GMT
The paradigm of "we are civilization creators" also groups them together. China with many philosophies of which Confucianism is the most popular and Greece also with its assortment of philosophies of which Socrates stands out as being classical. For lack of a better word, Greeks, like the Chinese also tend to be ethnocentric. Greeks have great pride in their cultures and history, not unlike the Chinese  Both are also nations boasting some of the greatest philosophers the world has ever seen though my Chinese pride compels me to state that China is the better of the two in this regard  |
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Post by foheadDynasty on Aug 27, 2017 17:46:31 GMT
The paradigm of "we are civilization creators" also groups them together. China with many philosophies of which Confucianism is the most popular and Greece also with its assortment of philosophies of which Socrates stands out as being classical. For lack of a better word, Greeks, like the Chinese also tend to be ethnocentric. Greeks have great pride in their cultures and history, not unlike the Chinese Both are also nations boasting some of the greatest philosophers the world has ever seen though my Chinese pride compels me to state that China is the better of the two in this regard I hear you. I have been told that Chinese philosophy like the Tao Te Jing contains very minimal words, like the pure essence of it can be contained within 500 words or so. Yet those 500 words will be more widely encompassing and allow for an endless exchange of ideas between people speaking or writing on the subject. |
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Post by foheadDynasty on Aug 27, 2017 18:02:14 GMT
The paradigm of "we are civilization creators" also groups them together. China with many philosophies of which Confucianism is the most popular and Greece also with its assortment of philosophies of which Socrates stands out as being classical. There was an Ancient Civilisations forum held earlier this year which China and Greece are part of. Other countries include Egypt, Bolivia, India, Iraq, Iran, Italy, Mexico and Peru which represent ancient civilizations such as the Egyptian, the Roman, the Persian, the Chinese, the Mesopotamian, the Mayas, the Incas, and those of the Indus Valley. So yes I think China empathises with Greece because it's a country which was one of the original great culture creators but now is stuck in an unfortunate situation economically and people snatch it's heritage. Like the Elgin Marbles which are a national treasure of Greece but are now in London. So I think China sees that and are like OMG US TOO, they took are shit too. But I would say it's conflicting for Greeks as they don't really know if they are "Western" or not. The power and gold standard of Westerness has already been handed over to Nords, Anglos and Germanics and such forth. So Anglos / Germanics etc celebrate Greek culture (especially architecture) and things like olive oil as their own heritage or as a larger umbrella of "Western" refined tastes, but then they slap Greeks in the face and ostracise them for not being "truly" White Westerners. greece.greekreporter.com/2017/04/19/athens-prepares-to-host-10-countries-for-forum-of-ancient-civilizations-on-april-24/news.cgtn.com/news/3d597a4e35557a4d/share_p.htmlElgin Marbles: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_MarblesThe world famous inventors of democracy are not at odds with the Chinese. The code of brotherhood or 义气 is strong between them. Civilization creators form a particularly nice category of stalwart individuals safeguarding the rest of the world against total chaos. I especially like the Egyptians during their heyday and I hope they don't completely lose out to Islamic fundamentalism. The others are the Levant and Indus which are in similar danger as well. It's like Tolkien, the evil eye is watching we can't lose out to it. |
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Post by foheadDynasty on Aug 27, 2017 18:11:53 GMT
Europeans are less hostile toward China on average, and are less likely to spout racist crap in front of your face (unless they are drunk or are the zero inhibitions type). Their gov campaigns are not about an imminent Chinese threat or whatever, unlike America, so that's probably a big factor. Still I think having a sense of racial superiority is attributed to a post-colonialist world where remnants of Western hierarchy and power structures remain. Actually in Western media it's readily apparent. In Europe, the "danger" is Islam and ISIS rather than China. I've noticed this too. Genuine European natives (with perhaps the exception of Turkey or the UK), such as Icelandics in Iceland, Croatians in Croatia, Dutch in the Netherlands, etc. are definitely less likely to pull that crap that's often seen in America. I find most are genuinely curious about China and most have no real animosity towards us (like you said, Muslims are a different story and understandably so). In fact, even in the UK racist attitudes seem more reflected by the so called expat groups and a certain category of expats at that. I find the most hostile groups of Europeans tend to be European emigrants living in other European countries (e.g. Russians in Spain) or those of mixed heritage (similar to Americans). Either way, I find myself more empathetic with Europeans on a cultural level and notice that they're generally very respectful, cultured people. Of course, it all boils down to education and Europeans, particularly Scandinavians have some world class education systems that are worth learning from: The vibe I get from Europe is that they have learned their lesson from German aggression and they see the ugly evil that had been brought forth so it's like people have way less to fear because they hold themselves back. |
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Post by defiancexyzz on Aug 28, 2017 13:49:45 GMT
For lack of a better word, Greeks, like the Chinese also tend to be ethnocentric. Greeks have great pride in their cultures and history, not unlike the Chinese Both are also nations boasting some of the greatest philosophers the world has ever seen though my Chinese pride compels me to state that China is the better of the two in this regard I hear you. I have been told that Chinese philosophy like the Tao Te Jing contains very minimal words, like the pure essence of it can be contained within 500 words or so. Yet those 500 words will be more widely encompassing and allow for an endless exchange of ideas between people speaking or writing on the subject. Indeed. Chinese are very efficient people. We are able to convey much meaning without being wordy Take numerous chengyu for instance. 4 characters convey more meaning than a dozen words in other languages. |
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Post by foheadDynasty on Aug 28, 2017 14:53:27 GMT
I hear you. I have been told that Chinese philosophy like the Tao Te Jing contains very minimal words, like the pure essence of it can be contained within 500 words or so. Yet those 500 words will be more widely encompassing and allow for an endless exchange of ideas between people speaking or writing on the subject. Indeed. Chinese are very efficient people. We are able to convey much meaning without being wordy Take numerous chengyu for instance. 4 characters convey more meaning than a dozen words in other languages. Sorry it is around 5 thousands words or so. I think some elderly idiot was trying to mislead me. Copied from wikipedia, |
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Post by defiancexyzz on Aug 28, 2017 15:21:30 GMT
Indeed. Chinese are very efficient people. We are able to convey much meaning without being wordy Take numerous chengyu for instance. 4 characters convey more meaning than a dozen words in other languages. Sorry it is around 5 thousands words or so. I think some elderly idiot was trying to mislead me. Copied from wikipedia, That's alright. An extra zero, no one would notice  |
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